• njm1314@lemmy.world
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        I think his point was you’re completely conflating the term independent and Centrist. Which is absolutely not the same thing.

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          It’s not my conflation.

          They are not the same thing. That’s why we have two different words with two different meanings.

          All independents are not centrists, but all centrists are independents (in the USA).

          Regardless, whether independents OR centrists, they both outnumber Democrats, and you require their votes to win any election.

          Maybe… just maybe… it’s in your best interests to not insult them?

          But you do you, I do think it’s funny to watch Lemmings spite themselves repeatedly, every single day I see them cut off their nose to spite their face. Thank you

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            All independents are not centrists, but all centrists are independents (in the USA).

            Well now you said two wildly inaccurate things in this comment chain. First you, yes you, conflated centrists with independents. Now this wildly inaccurate comment. Just making shit up left and right.

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            All independents are not centrists, but all centrists are independents (in the USA).

            You can be:

            • independent and centrist
            • centrist and not independent
            • independent and not centrist

            Neither of those is inclusive, or exclusive, of the other

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        You’re arguing with a notorious divisionist. There not here to debate in good faith.

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        Lol right! These fucking morons… They’re either far left and think picking fights with the center is somehow the way to forward for their cause (seems just because you’ve read Marx doesn’t mean your IQ jumps above 80). Or, they’re psy-op from the right, trying to collect centrists to the right (This would be the higher IQ move out if the 2 options).

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          Ah, yes, the people who actually oppose the right are a psy-op. But the Democrats, who constantly support the right, are the real opposition party.

          Big brain thinking at it’s best.

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            “Democrats that support the right.”
            Lol.
            Go. The. Fuck. Outside. Sometime.
            Internet forums are not where the truth lives.

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              Remember when the Democrats increased funding to ICE? Remember when the Democrats had the Republicans against the rope on the budget, and folded for no reason? Remember when Biden broke a bunch of laws to help Trump build out the border wall? Remember when Obama expanded Bush’s policies on torture, kidnapping, and deportation? Remember when the Democrats had the chance to put Trump in prison, but chose not to? Remember when Obama rebranded Romney-care as Obama-care?

              Internet forums are not where the truth lives.

              You are correct. Thats why I don’t expect Libs to know what the truth is.

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                I have a hard time believing that the left, eating their own, is a path back to power. You’re just gonna annoy people, drive them away, and depress your voter turnout; a surefire way to make sure the right remain in power. So those that participate in trashing the left or center, every time a politician does not deliver 100% of a wishlist (if they are voting eligible “Americans”) must be either stupid, or elephants in donkey costumes.
                I mean what’s the in-between? Folks who studied Socialism and Communism but never studied how to fucking win something?.. maybe.
                Or I suppose I can concede, you all far lefties are a separate faction, trying to make inroad to capture power over the rest of the left, as they see that is their only path to power.
                Still kinda dumb too, as while it may be the only play, it just wouldn’t happen, and is a waste of effort.
                You want to threaten and use any leverage against the left to effect policy? Well that is pretty useless while they don’t have power. So ya better get on the support train first - whinge later, program.

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                  I have a hard time believing that the left, eating their own, is a path back to power.

                  But you think that the right, sacrificing the left, is a way to get leftists in power? That doesn’t seem to make much sense to me.

                  You’re just gonna annoy people, drive them away, and depress your voter turnout…

                  The thing that the Democrats keep doing?

                  So those that participate in trashing the left or center, every time a politician does not deliver 100% of a wishlist … must be either stupid, or elephants in donkey costumes.

                  Who said anything about 100% ? I’d be OK with a lot less, yet the Democrats can’t even get that much.

                  (if they are voting eligible “Americans”)

                  Holy racism, Batman!?! Could you be more overt?

                  I mean what’s the in-between? Folks who studied Socialism and Communism but never studied how to fucking win something?.. maybe.

                  What I’ve studied, is Democrats openly failing to deliver even the basics of what their voters want. Remember when “Genocide is bad”, or “The economy is bad”, or “Torture is bad” was on the ballot, and the Democratic leadership couldn’t even stomach that little?

                  Or I suppose I can concede, you all far lefties are a separate faction, trying to make inroad to capture power over the rest of the left, as they see that is their only path to power.

                  So you think that supporting basic human rights, and equality for all is “far left”?

                  Still kinda dumb too, as while it may be the only play, it just wouldn’t happen, and is a waste of effort.

                  And yet you think that voting in support of genocidists, rapits, and fascists supporters, is not a wasted effort?

                  You want to threaten and use any leverage against the left to effect policy?

                  “against the left” ? I’m not even sure what you mean by that. I’m explictly against the right. What have I said that is “against the left” ?

                  Well that is pretty useless while they don’t have power.

                  I also don’t understand this. I’m trying to stop the coopting of the left by Democrats. How is supporting the coopting-of-the-left going to give the left more power?

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                    I wouldn’t waste your time, this guy doesn’t know the difference between left and right yet. I bet he still has to make an L with his hands and still fucks it up anyways.

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                    But you think that the right, sacrificing the left, is a way to get leftists in power? That doesn’t seem to make much sense to me.

                    Uhh… no. This question doesn’t make sense to me.

                    The thing that the Democrats keep doing?

                    Lol. If Democrats are driving away voters (to the right) you think even leftier policies will prevent them from voting right? Give.your.nuts.a.tug.

                    Who said anything about 100% ? I’d be OK with a lot less, yet the Democrats can’t even get that much.

                    Maybe not much, but more than the right will get ya, right?

                    Holy racism, Batman!?! Could you be more overt?

                    Racism… OP’s post pic litterally says, “U.S. Senate candidates debate…”, so this pertains to US politics. Hey also I patted my wife on the butt because she cooked me dinner tonight. Guess I’m a chauvinist…🤷

                    What I’ve studied, is Democrats openly failing to deliver even the basics of what their voters want. Remember when “Genocide is bad”, or “The economy is bad”, or “Torture is bad” was on the ballot, and the Democratic leadership couldn’t even stomach that little?

                    You might wanna read the stats. Look up what the Democrats have done in each of their last 3 administrations and look up what the Republicans have done for their last 3, and tell us which you prefer.

                    So you think that supporting basic human rights, and equality for all is “far left”?

                    Lol! No. But I think you might misunderstand something here. Basic human rights and Equality for all, are not are not hand-in-hand. They are separate things.

                    And yet you think that voting in support of genocidists, rapits, and fascists supporters, is not a wasted effort?

                    Wow, what a comedy these questions are… Like, what? Which “genocidists”, and “rapits”, and “fascists” are you refering to?

                    “against the left” ? I’m not even sure what you mean by that. I’m explictly against the right. What have I said that is “against the left” ?

                    No, what I’m saying… Far lefties use the leverage of vote-threat, “we’ll vote for someone else if you don’t do what we want”, often. Look how that worked out for Palistinian-Americans that voted for Trump because, “evil” Dems didn’t immediately cut money to Israel. Measurably worse. Shot themselves in the foot. Jared Kushner is probably got a deal going to put a golf course on those dumb voters collective Palistinian family-homes as we speak.

                    I also don’t understand this. I’m trying to stop the coopting of the left by Democrats. How is supporting the coopting-of-the-left going to give the left more power?

                    Coopting of what “left”? What “left” is it that you speak of that had power in the US? Your statement makes it sound like your trying saving some sacred civilization. But that never existed so, the fuck are you on about?
                    The left IS the Dems as it currently stands in the USA, take it or leave it, and that’s what you’re working with if you want any measurable outcome. To say otherwise is living in fairyland.

                    Stop trying to fracture the only shield you have on grounds of pedantry and idealism that cannot be achieved from this rung on the ladder. You have to get to the higher rung first before climbing higher.

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            They’re doing it because they afe the opposition. They’re divisionists. They are here to upset the midterms. They did the same shit in 24.