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    Cuba

    Doubt, the US was slowly improving relations with Cuba. A lot of that was undone in Trump’s first term. Fixed a bit under Biden, and now it’s absolutely horrible.

    Quite literally there was an option last cycle that would have prevented what’s happening in Cuba.

    As for respecting Indegious nations perhaps you should talk to some Natives. Biden’s term the Secretary of the Interior was a Native American. Her name was Deb Haaland, absolutely amazing woman. Under her guidance she protected many important indigenous sites, expanded tribal consultants (and made their say matter), and renamed countless places back to their indigenous names. Never before had the Tribal Nations been this respected. Now that Trump won he’s replaced her with an oil guy pushing an “energy dominace” agenda. Which means expanding the exploitation of federal lands for oil, gas, mining, and timber. He’s delisted several protected sites so their resources can be exploited and slashed tribal consultation.

    And this is what pisses me off about people spreading the rhetoric you do. You don’t actually care about minorities or oppressed people in the slightest. You use their suffering to justify your own political agenda. Were things perfect? No there’s a long list of issues that we likely would agree on, but many things were clearly better for many marginalized groups before Trump and there was an option to keep those positive changes in place. Yet you threw up your hands declared both sides are the same and allowed the poor and oppressed to become worse off. Minorities shouldn’t be your pawns for political rhetoric. Fake ally

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      No, relations with Cuba were not improving. The Obama administration was working to undermine the Cuban political project, and both the Obama admin and Biden admin continued the sanctions regime on Cuba. Biden performatively removed Cuba from the state sponsors of terror list right at the end, because he knew it would get struck down. You also clearly have not spoken with indigenous peoples. Making token gestures is not at all the same as respecting prior treaties and decolonizing Turtle Island.

      I care deeply about the struggles in Cuba, Palestine, and indigenous struggles here. I devote my time and money to organizing for a better world, because I know these are not problems that can be solved under capitalism. Minority nationalities shouldn’t be your pawns for political rhetoric. Get in the streets, get organized, and stop treating the tokenizing of minorities under democrats that then perpetuate their butchery and oppression as liberation.

      Do better. Join an org, and stop defending the capitalist class and their cronies.

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        Token gestures? I’ve worked closely with several tribal members in my time. They appreciated the work being done under Haaland. It was putting control of Native Lands back in to Native hands and restoring treaty agreements. Real tangible improvements in tribal sovereignty. That was undone instantly by Trump.

        I’m sorry about Turtle Island whichever one you’re referring to, but neither candidate would do anything about that. But we had a candidate that was going to continue to expand tribal relations and tribal sovereignty within the US. Anyone that actually cared would have wanted this to continue, but I suppose the sovereignty and rights of Native American tribes isn’t as flashy for your rhetoric

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          What’s necessary, and what indigenous groups have been demanding for centuries now, is for every treaty to be respected. What they need is the full right of self-determination, up to and including secession. This has been demanded. The reservation system isn’t sovereignty, it’s apartheid. You’re describing these relations the same way Zionists describe relations with the Palestinian Authority.

          It isn’t about “flash,” it’s about what’s both necessary and possible. We absolutely can decolonize Turtle Island (the north American continent), but Democrats and Republicans alike perpetuate settler-colonialism. Again, join an org, fight for a better world.

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            So we’ve looped right back around. One candidate was going to continue to make some improvements to the lives of the marginalized, but they weren’t going to fulfill all your demands. So now the lives are the marginalized are worse off.

            Thanks for clarifying which Turtle Island, I thought you were talking about the one in lake Eerie that once belonged to the Miami tribe. Which did seem far too specific

            Anyway you can vote to reduce harm to marginalized groups and join an org. You should do both

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              Except the Democrats are not making improvements, they are perpetuating the system oppressing indigenous peoples with no desire to do what’s necessary for sovereignty. Token gestures are far below the minimum necessary. This is not a difficult problem to solve, it’s very easy to do, the problem is that there is no political will from the capitalist class to do so. The majority of my comrades are marginalized peoples from many backgrounds, we are all fighting for a better world. Because we understand history and dedicate our time and money to study and political activism, this shows us what’s actually both achievable and necessary.

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                Why do you keep calling protecting sacred tribal sites and tribal land a token gestures? Now many are open for oil exploitation with little Native input.

                It may be a “token gesture” to you, but it mattered to the groups you pretend to care for

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                  Because at the same exact time, the Democrats strengthened the very apartheid system that to this day represents settler-colonial genocide. Why do you keep making light of this apartheid?

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                    They are happy with shiny tokens. They want everyone to be thankful for crumbs and discards for the feudal lords and oligarchs.

                    The nail that sticks out gets the hammer. They are the content with billions starving as long as they get rewarded by the Master. They hate you for telling them they’re enablers, not the good guys trying for a better path forward for humanity and the planet.

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      Doubt, the US was slowly improving relations with Cuba.

      Where do you people get this shit?

      Doctors are having to work 16 hours a day to manually pump air into premature babies lungs because of the American embargo on Cuba.

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        Where do you people get this shit?

        Reality. You should try living in it. It hurts, but it’s where you can make the most difference.

        They literally proved to you that relations were better with Dems at the helm (fucking duh). And your response was a single, dipshit sentence of no value to anyone.

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        Why are you describing the situation created by Trump? That’s the whole point that things were made way worse than they were.

        Thank you for providing supporting evidence I guess

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          Why do you get to spout your bullshit without supporting evidence, but when I call it bullshit, you want sources?

          Relations with Cuba were not improving. That’s a lie.

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            You misread. You already provided the supporting evidence for my point. You proved how things became worse under Trump which is the point I was making. Doctors have only been doing that since Trump cut off oil and gas to the country.

            I was thanking you for providing the supporting evidence, albeit a bit confused since you stated it as a disagreement.

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              This tells me that you only pay attention when it’s red team doing bad things lol.

              I’m sure you’re confused quite often!