Perhaps I’m being dense but how do you see this helping Linux Gaming?
Even assuming that VBS-E allows Game Devs to shift their current kernel based anti-cheat over to it there’s no guarantee that Linux will get a compatible VBS-E module nor that Game Devs would allow its use.
I guess I see it as: If a Game Dev does this (use VBS-E) AND Linux gets a compatible module AND Game Devs allow its use THEN newer games may not have the same problem with anti-cheat as older ones.
The way I understand it is that every anticheat needs to be overhauled as they can no longer tap into the kernel/get kernel access. So the anticheat has to run in userspace. This can also be done under GNU/Linux which is why anticheat should work on both platforms.
The way I understand it is that every anticheat needs to be overhauled as they can no longer tap into the kernel/get kernel access.
Yes, if we assume that various institutions (cough cough looking at you EU) allow MS to remove kernel access.
So the anticheat has to eun in userspace.
VSB-E isn’t really “user space” but your point about the kernel is valid.
hich is why anticheat should
The word “should” is doing some heavy lifting in that sentence. Even if it COULD that doesn’t mean devs will allow it nor does it mean that existing games will get updated on EITHER platform. Removing a kernel level anti-cheat could easily be the death of some older games on Windows as the owner simply doesn’t want to put the money into making it work.
I’m honestly not too sure how possible it is to make VSB-E work on *nix either, since it appears to use Microsoft Hyper-V technologies at its core and those wouldn’t be available in *nix. That means that we’d be back to Game Devs having to specifically write anti-cheat for *nix…which is something they can already do if they want.
VSB-E is interesting but I’m not convinced its going to do anything for Linux Gaming at all. Hopefully I am wrong. :)
Out of curiosity what do you dual boot for? I used to dual boot for gaming but I’ve lately found that proton works very well with my games and there is no need to run Windows for anything
Cyberpunk works great on Proton 7. I was playing it last night. It crashes on updated/experimental Proton but by forcing compatibility to Proton 7.0-6 I played for about 4 hours with no issues.
It’s too late for me, friend. The trap was baited with the frivolous and delightful outputs of an unethical capitalist machine and I was ensnared. I am now doomed to forever carry out a small percentage of my computing tasks in the glass cage of OS lock in and corporate surveillance. It’s not too late for others, though, you can still save yourself. Leave me to my fate, my only solace is that my experience may be a lesson to others.
Na it’s not to late, just try different games and experience new OS. After a while your thirst for playing specific games simply goes away and you will feel as much comfortable playing games on linux.
I dream of a world where I don’t have to dual boot.
Due to planned virtualisation in Windows this will probably soon be the case for people who Dual boot due to anticheat.
I must have missed something. What are you referencing with this comment?
They want to prevent spooky programs running in the kernel (like crowdstrike) which may break the whole system. Source: https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/26/24206719/microsoft-windows-changes-crowdstrike-kernel-driver
Perhaps I’m being dense but how do you see this helping Linux Gaming?
Even assuming that VBS-E allows Game Devs to shift their current kernel based anti-cheat over to it there’s no guarantee that Linux will get a compatible VBS-E module nor that Game Devs would allow its use.
I guess I see it as: If a Game Dev does this (use VBS-E) AND Linux gets a compatible module AND Game Devs allow its use THEN newer games may not have the same problem with anti-cheat as older ones.
The way I understand it is that every anticheat needs to be overhauled as they can no longer tap into the kernel/get kernel access. So the anticheat has to run in userspace. This can also be done under GNU/Linux which is why anticheat should work on both platforms.
Yes, if we assume that various institutions (cough cough looking at you EU) allow MS to remove kernel access.
VSB-E isn’t really “user space” but your point about the kernel is valid.
The word “should” is doing some heavy lifting in that sentence. Even if it COULD that doesn’t mean devs will allow it nor does it mean that existing games will get updated on EITHER platform. Removing a kernel level anti-cheat could easily be the death of some older games on Windows as the owner simply doesn’t want to put the money into making it work.
I’m honestly not too sure how possible it is to make VSB-E work on *nix either, since it appears to use Microsoft Hyper-V technologies at its core and those wouldn’t be available in *nix. That means that we’d be back to Game Devs having to specifically write anti-cheat for *nix…which is something they can already do if they want.
VSB-E is interesting but I’m not convinced its going to do anything for Linux Gaming at all. Hopefully I am wrong. :)
please.
It seems quite likely actually. The only problem might be them noticing the benefit for GNU/Linux.
That would be awesome! There’s still the odd game I can’t run unrelated to anti cheat but that would still be a huge win.
Out of curiosity what do you dual boot for? I used to dual boot for gaming but I’ve lately found that proton works very well with my games and there is no need to run Windows for anything
Yeah proton works really well for me for the vast majority of my games but there are a few that don’t. I dual boot solely to play those.
I think people can run most of those fine but I haven’t had luck and don’t spend much time tinkering.
Cyberpunk works great on Proton 7. I was playing it last night. It crashes on updated/experimental Proton but by forcing compatibility to Proton 7.0-6 I played for about 4 hours with no issues.
CS2: Try using -sdlaudiodriver pipewire in launch options
There are plenty of games that runs on linux just fine
https://libregaming.org/play-libre-games/
The games you mentioned don’t seem to have anything so special that they are worth trading for your privacy and freedom over.
How dramatic.
EDIT: In the dramatic spirit though.
It’s too late for me, friend. The trap was baited with the frivolous and delightful outputs of an unethical capitalist machine and I was ensnared. I am now doomed to forever carry out a small percentage of my computing tasks in the glass cage of OS lock in and corporate surveillance. It’s not too late for others, though, you can still save yourself. Leave me to my fate, my only solace is that my experience may be a lesson to others.
Na it’s not to late, just try different games and experience new OS. After a while your thirst for playing specific games simply goes away and you will feel as much comfortable playing games on linux.
This is the part where you name the games you like so we trash talk them back.
Endless sky Mindustry Minetest 0ad Battle for Wesnoth
I dualboot Linux and hackintosh, mostly for Affinity and Fusion360
TBH you could just pick one of them and run the other as a virtual machine.