Stuff like swaybg, despite being very well built, only support setting a single wallpaper on startup. This means, if you want to change the wallpaper during runtime, you must pkill the daemon
…have you actually used Wayland? If you’re using Plasma or GNOME, its indistinguishable from X11 except it actually has a slightly more (inexplicable tbh) polished feel to it.
In what way? I’ve been using triple monitors for close to a decade now and my KDE switched from X11 to Wayland at some point without me noticing, so I’m wondering what I missed.
I have a surface pro 6 with mini display port out. The adjustment when plugging in the monitor is sometimes not remembered, but I believe that’s a gnome problem.
The real issue is that even today, some apps (Firefox, gedit, some terminals) don’t adjust their scaling to the new screen, which results in these apps having really, really microscopic text or super zoomed-in when they move from one to the other screen. Also the apps don’t sit nicely between one monitor and the next. And I think this might be a gnome thing, but moving apps between virtual desktops with both monitors plugged in is very weird, some move, some don’t.
I work in Linux as a daily driver for work and personal. I don’t care what the tools are, but they need to work and stay out of the way. Right now, Wayland implementation of multi monitor for my hardware is too much bother, I’ll try it again in a year.
I have no objections to Wayland itself, but I value the kind of stability xfce gives me, which is stable, predictable, and gets out of the way. Right now, on my hardware, Wayland/gnome is not there.
Ah, my monitors are all identical and stay plugged in all the time, so it’s a much less complicated use-case than yours.
I do have one issue where, because I picked the wrong 9070XT on launch day and couldn’t exchange it due to lack of availability, one of my monitors is on HDMI instead of DisplayPort and takes annoyingly longer to wake from sleep or change modes than the other two. But I think that’s more likely a hardware or driver problem than a Wayland one.
Something KDE has done seems to have resolved the issues I used to have with DPI related scaling problems in Wayland. Once Plasma 6 hit, it’s been nothing but rapid improvements with Wayland as a focus and man does it feel nice.
That said, there’s virtually no downside to still using X unless you have explicit display features you need from Wayland like HDR or the per-display scaling. Xfce is stupid lightweight and still my default for anything where battery life is a benefit.
Yeah I tried it, out of the gate my favourite WM - i3 isn’t supported.
I tried some of the other WMs, and they all kinda sucked imo.
I tried Gnome but it didn’t work for me when I tried using guake.
I also had issues with Spectacle on Plasma (captured area is just plain white).
In both - OBS didn’t work properly either (black screen with some capture methods, massive lag with others) and games were a bit laggy (stutters/frame time spikes).
Last one could be that Wayland doesn’t play nice with the proprietary Nvidia driver or that unlike with Xorg, Proton/SteamPlay dont support launching a gamescope nested session from a Wayland session (or didn’t back when I tried it) which usually ensures silky smooth performance.
So this…this is the power of Wayland
No, it’s a limitation with swaybg so they created a tool that doesn’t have that limitation.
…have you actually used Wayland? If you’re using Plasma or GNOME, its indistinguishable from X11 except it actually has a slightly more (inexplicable tbh) polished feel to it.
This comment is incredibly misinformed
I use both ATM, and you definitely feel the unpolished rough edges of Wayland in multi monitor modes.
In what way? I’ve been using triple monitors for close to a decade now and my KDE switched from X11 to Wayland at some point without me noticing, so I’m wondering what I missed.
I have a surface pro 6 with mini display port out. The adjustment when plugging in the monitor is sometimes not remembered, but I believe that’s a gnome problem.
The real issue is that even today, some apps (Firefox, gedit, some terminals) don’t adjust their scaling to the new screen, which results in these apps having really, really microscopic text or super zoomed-in when they move from one to the other screen. Also the apps don’t sit nicely between one monitor and the next. And I think this might be a gnome thing, but moving apps between virtual desktops with both monitors plugged in is very weird, some move, some don’t.
I work in Linux as a daily driver for work and personal. I don’t care what the tools are, but they need to work and stay out of the way. Right now, Wayland implementation of multi monitor for my hardware is too much bother, I’ll try it again in a year.
I have no objections to Wayland itself, but I value the kind of stability xfce gives me, which is stable, predictable, and gets out of the way. Right now, on my hardware, Wayland/gnome is not there.
Ah, my monitors are all identical and stay plugged in all the time, so it’s a much less complicated use-case than yours.
I do have one issue where, because I picked the wrong 9070XT on launch day and couldn’t exchange it due to lack of availability, one of my monitors is on HDMI instead of DisplayPort and takes annoyingly longer to wake from sleep or change modes than the other two. But I think that’s more likely a hardware or driver problem than a Wayland one.
Something KDE has done seems to have resolved the issues I used to have with DPI related scaling problems in Wayland. Once Plasma 6 hit, it’s been nothing but rapid improvements with Wayland as a focus and man does it feel nice.
That said, there’s virtually no downside to still using X unless you have explicit display features you need from Wayland like HDR or the per-display scaling. Xfce is stupid lightweight and still my default for anything where battery life is a benefit.
Really? I have two 4k monitors, one being 160hz and I find they’re handled way better by Wayland over X11. Even fractional scaling is perfect now
Yeah I tried it, out of the gate my favourite WM - i3 isn’t supported.
I tried some of the other WMs, and they all kinda sucked imo.
I tried Gnome but it didn’t work for me when I tried using guake.
I also had issues with Spectacle on Plasma (captured area is just plain white).
In both - OBS didn’t work properly either (black screen with some capture methods, massive lag with others) and games were a bit laggy (stutters/frame time spikes).
Last one could be that Wayland doesn’t play nice with the proprietary Nvidia driver or that unlike with Xorg, Proton/SteamPlay dont support launching a gamescope nested session from a Wayland session (or didn’t back when I tried it) which usually ensures silky smooth performance.
So yeah, this was a while back but.
i3 doesn’t work with Wayland because it’s an X11 WM… You wouldn’t complain about X11 because Sway doesn’t work on it.
Btw, Sway is a drop-in Wayland replacement for i3 if you want to move to Wayland. i3 configs work with Sway; it’s an i3 clone.