• bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works
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    China is the oldest imperial state. Tibet isn’t the only place they occupy and oppress. Uyghurs and other central Asian Turks and of course Mongols on the other end. Although China does have a better claim to the land the Soviets conquered in the Sino-Soviet war.

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      America and Britain are both older states than China… Even if you want to go with the most racialized ethno-nationalist view of history possible the Han Chinese who are currently on top of the Chinese ethnic pile were the conquered subjects of the Qing Dynasty, who sprang from a different ethnicity called Manchus (from Manchuria, shockingly enough)

      That’s just the last dynasty, the various Chinese empires were dominated by a lot of different ethnicities.

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          And the Chinese empires collapsed and were reformed as different states ruled by different groups across different regions a dozen times. It’s a nonsense point that posits some weird form of generational sin combined with ethno-nationalist irredentist rhetoric, unironically the same kind of thought that lead Mussolini to claim the holdings of the Romans rightfully belonged to a new Italian Empire.

          Or Israel the right to kill any Muslims in Palestine for that matter, paying no mind to the fact that they’re also the descendants of Judea.

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            If we’re going by this logic then america is older than the majority of european countries but that would make their poor feefees hurt.

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              It is. A lot of European states are quite young in comparison to the United States. I think many would take exception at being considered the same or directly responsible for some previous form of state, but accept some portion of their culture or heritage.

              Americans just don’t have the luxury of overthrowing a monarchy or fundamentally changing form of state since 1776. Our state is still pre-Napoleanic. France has had like what, five republics and constitutions?