Taking 800 million people out of poverty and becoming the manufacturing hub of the world is not good enough of a government for you? It is for the majority of Chinese people though, highest government satisfaction rate in the world!
Edit: so many comments responding with striking cognitive dissonance against factual, empirical data carried out in study after study by Pew Research, the University of California and the Ash Institute. Westerners are so propagandized about China that they can’t even listen to western factual information about China and government satisfaction. Again: if you think you are less biased against communism than the western institutions listed above, think again.
9-9-6, suicide nets on some factories… Sounds like a happy place to be.
It’s interesting how much pro-China stuff seems to have flooded the Internet lately. They’ve even been inviting (maybe paying?) YouTubers to visit their country, despite not allowing YouTube to be accessed (legally) on their Internet. This campaign seems to be effective though.
I’m not even really anti-China. I used to conduct a lot of business with Chinese factories, and might do it again someday. But let’s not ignore reality and pretend it’s all sunshine and rainbows over there.
Whataboutism much? “Yeah, Chinese people may be overwhelmingly satisfied with their government, BUT WHAT ABOUT…”
But sure, let’s do whataboutism. I’ve visited China and the US (I’m Spanish). In China I’ve seen a total of 0 suicide nets. In the US I’ve seen plenty of public spaces forbidding people from having backpacks due to fear of mass murder with rifles. One of them was a university. Tell me again how much healthier the country that doesn’t allow BACKPACKS IN UNIVERSITIES is.
So you didn’t visit any factories with suicide nets. Great! I’ve also never witnessed a mass murder. Lucky us!
You chose the easier, less common example, but ignored the more common one that I mentioned. So whatabout 9-9-6? I’ve spoken to people in that 9-9-6 life, and exactly zero of them were happy about it.
Witnessing a mass murder would be akin to watching not a suicide net but an actual suicide, great false equivalency in your whataboutism.
What about unpaid holiday in the USA? What about homelessness rates? What about rates of poverty in urban areas and rates of employed poverty? What about diplomatic, economic and military support for genocide in Palestine? What about one in five black males going through the prison system at least once throughout their lives? What about mass incarceration rates? What about drug abuse and drug mortality? What about car-only infrastructure? What about expansive suburban without access to public transit or any walkability? What about food deserts? What about the invasion of Iraq? What about the most expensive healthcare in the planet with the least function of the developed world? What about the disintegration of public education? What about prohibitive tuition costs in universities? What about student debt? What about debt of US citizens in general? What about credit score rates? What about the price of housing being unaffordable? What about the oil dependency and the shutting down of renewable and nuclear projects? What about the “back to coal”? What about the collapse of unionization rates? What about rates of obesity? What about functional illiteracy rates? What about life expectancy being lower than in Cuba? What about massive wealth inequality? What about the most overfunded and bloated military industrial complex? What about the support for dictators and fascists all over the world? What about the CIA operations supporting coups and destroying socialist movements? What about the bombing of Libya submerging it into a civil war? What about the support for ISIS in Syria? What about mass surveillance of US citizens and of the rest of the world? What about ownership of mass media and social media by capitalist conglomerates? What about the militarized police disappearing people in the streets? What about the functionally equivalent two parties in your “democracy”? What about the pedophilic gerontocracy in power? What about the rollback of rights of women? What about the rollback of rights of trans people? What about the consistently racist policies? What about the lack of worker rights? What about the finacialized justice system? What about the total lack of public childcare infrastructure? What about the disastrous rates of second language knowledge and usage among USians? What about the exploitation of the peoples and their resources in the global south? What about the propagation of false neoliberal recipes for disaster through the IMF and its debt traps? What about the offshoring of polluting industries? What about the support for fascists like Bolsonaro and Milei?
Wow, that looks like a lot of work to avoid the 9-9-6 thing. I like this first one though:
What about unpaid holiday in the USA?
Was that at the top of the list because it was meant to compare to 9-9-6, somehow? I mean sure, unpaid holidays suck, but that’s not even in the same ballpark as working 72 hours per week, every week. At that point, you’re just living to work (as a robot/zombie slave cursed with a depressed human brain and flesh body).
As for the rest of the list: I appreciate the effort, but would it have been much harder to use an unordered list? And do you think it’s not possible to gather a big list about China that isn’t just as bad or worse?
Just out of curiosity: When you say “USians” IRL, how do you pronounce it? “You-ess-ians”? “Yousians”? “Oosians”?
Neat buzzword ya got there. Anyway, I acknowledge that you’ll continue ignoring 9-9-6. Consider your attempts to dodge it a success. And congrats on your success :)
On a lighter topic: I’m still curious about “USian”. Appending a suffix like “ian” to an acronym is unusual in English, but this is the second time I’ve encountered it on Lemmy. How is it pronounced?
“You-ess-ians” is the way I say it, but I’m a Spaniard so take it with a grain of salt. It’s unfair to the rest of the continent being bunched together with the United SSnaKKKes of America. In Spanish we actually usually refer to Yanks as “Estadounidenses”.
There are laws that limit it, and 72-hour work weeks are pretty extreme, even in the US. Do they happen? Sure. I’ve known people who have had to do hours like that for a week, maybe even two. But it’s not their normal schedule like 9-9-6 workers.
You just conceded the argument right there. Your purpose here isn’t to promote China and make people think it’s good, it’s to merely create doubt about the subject. That’s all the wiggle that is needed. So, bad faith arguments are all you really need.
follow from my comment? I posted factual evidence about China, got countered with “how about this other data I’m making up which is half as large?” and I mocked it
Are you going to address my actual point or just accuse me of not understanding kindergarten level math?
What a country thinks of its own government is not a good metric for how that government is actually doing. Quite a bit of disapproval shows significant cracks in unity, but significant approval just shows that people believe in their government. National pride was also pretty high when the United States was (it still is but I’m referring to when national pride was high) going around committing war crimes against any small nation that leaned communist and domestic terrorism against its own people in the 20th century.
National pride was also pretty high when the United States was going around committing war crimes against any small nation that leaned communist and domestic terrorism against its own people in the 20th century
Good thing China isn’t doing any of those things then, China doesnt go around doing war crimes, invading other nations or supporting fascist coups. The satisfaction rates must be coming from somewhere else then… Maybe from the extremely powerful and sustained economic growth lacking any big economic crises, the saving of millions of lives during the COVID pandemic with the strong central government mandates, the near-total home ownership rates, and the comparison of their government with those abroad?
It’s absolutely true that China’s economic growth and the effectiveness of the government’s COVID response is a factor, but my point was that the government has an enormous ability to influence the population. Of course the government you live under is going to have an advantage when it comes to having your approval. I’ve tried to make a point that being almost universally approved by the people that live under it is not an objective measure of morality or the amount of good it does, just popularity, and popular things aren’t always moral or good. I would also add that these numbers could simply be fudged, but I don’t know enough about the source to say that for certain and I knew you definitely wouldn’t believe it if it was true anyway.
But from how these responses are worded, I’m guessing that no matter what I say you’re just gonna stick with this narrative and let your brain decide that any information you take in is either in support of what you believe or a lie. I’m gonna go now.
Edit: after re-reading your earlier comment im actually curious about where you got that image of a graph. I know you said where it was from, but you never provided a link or the name of what it was from. That’s kind of bad form, you gotta properly cite your sources. Can you reply with it because I’m actually trying to learn more about China (cause, yk, they’re becoming kinda important) and also I think it would be funny if you were lying about the data and refused to link it
Got the graph from here. According to the source, the data’s origin is “according to surveys conducted between 2003-2016 by Harvard’s Kennedy School”.
Another source I’ve linked to in other comments, quotes: “According to the Pew Research Center, 85 percent of Chinese people in 2013 were satisfied with their government, while only 35 percent of Americans felt the same about their government. In May 2020, a University of California survey found that 88 percent of Chinese people preferred their country’s political system. A study jointly published by the Ash Center for Democratic Governance and Innovation at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government showed that Chinese people’s satisfaction with the central government rose from 86.1 percent in 2003 to 93.1 percent in 2016”.
I’ve made sure to link to sources that portray western biases such as University of California, Pew Research or the Harvard University, and yet you see the replies to my comment are plagued with people questioning the methodology, as if three different western organizations had any motives to portray pro-China bias. Lemmy is riddled with anticommunist and anti-China bias, and bringing factual data gives people such levels of cognitive bias that they’ll just outright reject the information, MAGA style.
I understand you may doubt “government satisfaction” as a metric of anything actually good, that’s reasonable I guess, but the post is about OP’s impressions of the Chinese government, which is the reason why I brought it up.
Says the wage slave that fights to defend people like Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump. Good job, kid. Of course communing with people, being social is impossible for you, because you are a capitalist. Capitalists love money more than human life.
During Covid:
US - 3,596 deaths per million with a population size of 335 million.
Mexico - 2,605 deaths per million with a population size of 130 million.
China - 85 deaths per million with a population size of 1.42 billion, 4x times the US, which should’ve been harder to administrate or manage, but they did it efficiently anyway.
Which seems more responsible there? And by A LOT.
Every year, to general conflict:
US - 20,000± people - rate of 5.7 due to its population size.
Mexico - 30,000± people - rate of 24.85.
China - 7,157 people - rate of 0.502, incredibly impressive for a country 4x times the size in population.
UK - 684 people - rate of 1.14.
Canada - 874 people - rate of 2.27.
My favorite, this one always makes Americans go “no way that’s true. But the way they treat gays over there!!!”
Saudi Arabia - 285 people - rate of 0.795.
Which are safer? China and Saudi Arabia.
Now, according to World Population Review, Our World Data, the UN and more regarding wealth inequality, the higher the number, the worse (Gini coefficient, 0 would mean everyone has the exact same amount of cash, so, expect it to be a minimum of 20~):
South Africa - 63.0
Brazil - 51.6
Zimbabwe - 50.3
Mexico - 43.5
US - 41.8
China - 35.7
UK - 32.4
Japan - 32.3
Sweden - 31.6
Iraq, bro - 29.8
Norway - 26.9
United Arab Emirates - 26.4
India - 25.5
Slovakia, the lowest, most “communist one” as Americans say - 24.1
Couldn’t find the Gini for Saudi Arabia, but I am sure it’s similar to its neighbors, which dingle around the mid 20s or low 30s.
Now look at these 12 war crimes the USA has done:
Iran 1953 - CIA + MI6 overthrew Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh after he nationalized oil.
Guatemala 1954 - CIA toppled President Jacobo Árbenz after he pushed land reforms that were hated by U.S. corporations (United Fruit Company).
Congo 1960 - The U.S. indirectly supported the removal and 86 of Patrice Lumumba and backed Mobutu’s dictatorship.
South Vietnam 1963 - CIA green-lit the coup that ousted and 86 Ngo Dinh Diem.
Brazil 1964 - CIA supported the right-wing military junta that removed President João Goulart.
Chile 1970 - CIA spent millions trying to block Allende’s election, then supported the military coup that put Pinochet in power.
Nicaragua 1980 - U.S. illegally funded the Contras to destabilize the Sandinista government.
Afghanistan 1979 - U.S. funded and armed the mujahideen to bleed the Soviets, destabilizing the region for decades (and indirectly creating conditions for the Taliban).
Iraq 2003 - Full-scale invasion removing Saddam Hussein, plunging country into chaos and sectarian war.
Lybia 2011 - NATO intervention helped topple Gaddafi, leading to civil war, militias, and slave markets.
Honduras 2009 - Not a CIA coup, but U.S. tacitly supported the military-backed ouster of President Zelaya by legitimizing the new government.
Syria 2011 - CIA’s “Timber Sycamore” program armed various rebel factions, worsening the civil war.
Am I still supposed to believe America is better? I am a Mexican who is still suffering the consequences of Reagan and Nixon… SO, I’m doing all this for free, not for Xi, but for the truth. The truth is America sucks so, so much more. I used to think otherwise for over 20 years, I fell for the Marvel movies and military movies that painted American soldiers as badass good-will saints. But that’s over, and it is exactly people like you that put me in this exact position. So, thank you for that. Keep it up, you are perfect, because you give people like me the opportunity to share all this, and it won’t matter how many downvotes it gets, those are just Americans trying to cope, it will convince people like it convinced me. I trust reality and numbers more than your vibe and simplistic NPC one-liner insults like this comment of yours right here. Seriously, keep it up. Don’t change.
This graph was made using data from Pew Research, the University of California and the Ash Institute. Tell me again how much of a Communist, Pro-China these institutions have.
A source so that you get some more whiplash from your cognitive bias
Those manufacturing jobs for humans are super safe in the coming decade, and selling out future generations’ natural legacy surely won’t have negative consequences. You’re looking at exploitation of the labour class by the ruling class and saying it’s prosperity.
Those manufacturing jobs for humans are super safe in the coming decade
Not sure what you’re on about. AI revolution replacing humans by machines in industry? If China achieves this, it will find employment for its people in other sectors of the economy, as it historically has.
selling out future generations’ natural legacy
…by producing 93% of the world’s production of solar photovoltaic panels and being the largest investor in wind energy production and nuclear including the most advanced thorium reactor designs?
You’re looking at exploitation of the labour class by the ruling class
Go ahead and give us data about the wealth differences between politicians in China vs workers in China and compare that with western countries like USA or Germany. Go ahead, by all means, give us the data, convince us of your point and how much more a “ruling class” exists in China than elsewhere.
That’s a revisionist view of China’s labour history. There have been many examples where the glorious leadership did NOT find meaningful employment for its workers.
The Chinese government sees their citizens as a means, not an end. If it works out better to let people starve homeless, people will shiver in the rain. If it’s cheaper to use slaves, they will use slaves. If it’s cheaper to let people die, people will die. If they don’t anticipate the need for human labour in the future and there are a billion extra mouths to feed, a billion people will die.
China has some of the worst domestic environmental damage in the world. To their credit, they also have some of the best environmental remediation, but it’s still selling out the future of everyone on the planet.
I’m not the one holding out exploitation as prosperity, so I do not have to defend the actions of other exploitative environments. By your own logic, they should be viewed strictly in terms of their prosperity, so obviously you think things in Germany and the USA are just peachy.
But I would note that in Germany and the USA, corporations are independent of the state and the state is not directly benefiting from that exploitation to the same degree – merely enabling it through legislative capture. But that is not a thing in China because the Chinese government is effectively entirely captured, being effectively the same entity as all the major Chinese corporations.
The Chinese government sees their citizens as a means, not an end. If it works out better to let people starve homeless, people will shiver in the rain
You’re not talking from factual evidence, but from western exceptionalism. I’ll proceed to disregard everything else you’ve written. Have a good day malding at the rise of China and your western empire crumbling
Sure, buddy, you know more about the methodology of these studies than literal Pew Research and the University of California. Keep going, show us more of your cognitive bias rejecting factual information about the country that your government has deemed evil and bad.
Source (surely Harvard is not an “evil dictator CCP mouthpiece”? Or are you MAGA saying everything is a psyop?)
“If nobody is going to ban the person giving me factual data contradicting my indoctrination, might as well block them”. Solid stance, not MAGA at all.
I hope you’re joking. “Sinosphere” is the term applied to the area of the world you mention, the whole “copying” thing is backwards from what you said.
China famously has a communist party ruling the country, the rest of countries mentioned + the region of Taiwan don’t
Just because the Chinese call the Koreans 韩国 doesn’t mean you should lol. I think it’s rather insulting to group the whole of East Asia as incorporated into the Chinese Sports. Sounds a bit like whole Great East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere of the '30s and '40s.
And by copy i meant the liberalisation of the farmers to profit from their land, then moving into factories in industries that were competitive for export and finally playing venture capitalist.
If Voltaire were alive today he’d laugh at the term CCP
Taking 800 million people out of poverty and becoming the manufacturing hub of the world is not good enough of a government for you? It is for the majority of Chinese people though, highest government satisfaction rate in the world!
Edit: so many comments responding with striking cognitive dissonance against factual, empirical data carried out in study after study by Pew Research, the University of California and the Ash Institute. Westerners are so propagandized about China that they can’t even listen to western factual information about China and government satisfaction. Again: if you think you are less biased against communism than the western institutions listed above, think again.
9-9-6, suicide nets on some factories… Sounds like a happy place to be.
It’s interesting how much pro-China stuff seems to have flooded the Internet lately. They’ve even been inviting (maybe paying?) YouTubers to visit their country, despite not allowing YouTube to be accessed (legally) on their Internet. This campaign seems to be effective though.
I’m not even really anti-China. I used to conduct a lot of business with Chinese factories, and might do it again someday. But let’s not ignore reality and pretend it’s all sunshine and rainbows over there.
Whataboutism much? “Yeah, Chinese people may be overwhelmingly satisfied with their government, BUT WHAT ABOUT…”
But sure, let’s do whataboutism. I’ve visited China and the US (I’m Spanish). In China I’ve seen a total of 0 suicide nets. In the US I’ve seen plenty of public spaces forbidding people from having backpacks due to fear of mass murder with rifles. One of them was a university. Tell me again how much healthier the country that doesn’t allow BACKPACKS IN UNIVERSITIES is.
So you didn’t visit any factories with suicide nets. Great! I’ve also never witnessed a mass murder. Lucky us!
You chose the easier, less common example, but ignored the more common one that I mentioned. So whatabout 9-9-6? I’ve spoken to people in that 9-9-6 life, and exactly zero of them were happy about it.
Witnessing a mass murder would be akin to watching not a suicide net but an actual suicide, great false equivalency in your whataboutism.
What about unpaid holiday in the USA? What about homelessness rates? What about rates of poverty in urban areas and rates of employed poverty? What about diplomatic, economic and military support for genocide in Palestine? What about one in five black males going through the prison system at least once throughout their lives? What about mass incarceration rates? What about drug abuse and drug mortality? What about car-only infrastructure? What about expansive suburban without access to public transit or any walkability? What about food deserts? What about the invasion of Iraq? What about the most expensive healthcare in the planet with the least function of the developed world? What about the disintegration of public education? What about prohibitive tuition costs in universities? What about student debt? What about debt of US citizens in general? What about credit score rates? What about the price of housing being unaffordable? What about the oil dependency and the shutting down of renewable and nuclear projects? What about the “back to coal”? What about the collapse of unionization rates? What about rates of obesity? What about functional illiteracy rates? What about life expectancy being lower than in Cuba? What about massive wealth inequality? What about the most overfunded and bloated military industrial complex? What about the support for dictators and fascists all over the world? What about the CIA operations supporting coups and destroying socialist movements? What about the bombing of Libya submerging it into a civil war? What about the support for ISIS in Syria? What about mass surveillance of US citizens and of the rest of the world? What about ownership of mass media and social media by capitalist conglomerates? What about the militarized police disappearing people in the streets? What about the functionally equivalent two parties in your “democracy”? What about the pedophilic gerontocracy in power? What about the rollback of rights of women? What about the rollback of rights of trans people? What about the consistently racist policies? What about the lack of worker rights? What about the finacialized justice system? What about the total lack of public childcare infrastructure? What about the disastrous rates of second language knowledge and usage among USians? What about the exploitation of the peoples and their resources in the global south? What about the propagation of false neoliberal recipes for disaster through the IMF and its debt traps? What about the offshoring of polluting industries? What about the support for fascists like Bolsonaro and Milei?
Wow, that looks like a lot of work to avoid the 9-9-6 thing. I like this first one though:
Was that at the top of the list because it was meant to compare to 9-9-6, somehow? I mean sure, unpaid holidays suck, but that’s not even in the same ballpark as working 72 hours per week, every week. At that point, you’re just living to work (as a robot/zombie slave cursed with a depressed human brain and flesh body).
As for the rest of the list: I appreciate the effort, but would it have been much harder to use an unordered list? And do you think it’s not possible to gather a big list about China that isn’t just as bad or worse?
Just out of curiosity: When you say “USians” IRL, how do you pronounce it? “You-ess-ians”? “Yousians”? “Oosians”?
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Neat buzzword ya got there. Anyway, I acknowledge that you’ll continue ignoring 9-9-6. Consider your attempts to dodge it a success. And congrats on your success :)
On a lighter topic: I’m still curious about “USian”. Appending a suffix like “ian” to an acronym is unusual in English, but this is the second time I’ve encountered it on Lemmy. How is it pronounced?
“You-ess-ians” is the way I say it, but I’m a Spaniard so take it with a grain of salt. It’s unfair to the rest of the continent being bunched together with the United SSnaKKKes of America. In Spanish we actually usually refer to Yanks as “Estadounidenses”.
You’re talking like terrible work culture and exploitative working conditions don’t exist in America.
There are laws that limit it, and 72-hour work weeks are pretty extreme, even in the US. Do they happen? Sure. I’ve known people who have had to do hours like that for a week, maybe even two. But it’s not their normal schedule like 9-9-6 workers.
And almost half of America approves of trump, what’s your point?
Surely you are capable of understanding that 93% is a much greater number than 50%?
You just conceded the argument right there. Your purpose here isn’t to promote China and make people think it’s good, it’s to merely create doubt about the subject. That’s all the wiggle that is needed. So, bad faith arguments are all you really need.
How exactly does this
follow from my comment? I posted factual evidence about China, got countered with “how about this other data I’m making up which is half as large?” and I mocked it
Are you going to address my actual point or just accuse me of not understanding kindergarten level math?
What a country thinks of its own government is not a good metric for how that government is actually doing. Quite a bit of disapproval shows significant cracks in unity, but significant approval just shows that people believe in their government. National pride was also pretty high when the United States was (it still is but I’m referring to when national pride was high) going around committing war crimes against any small nation that leaned communist and domestic terrorism against its own people in the 20th century.
Good thing China isn’t doing any of those things then, China doesnt go around doing war crimes, invading other nations or supporting fascist coups. The satisfaction rates must be coming from somewhere else then… Maybe from the extremely powerful and sustained economic growth lacking any big economic crises, the saving of millions of lives during the COVID pandemic with the strong central government mandates, the near-total home ownership rates, and the comparison of their government with those abroad?
It’s absolutely true that China’s economic growth and the effectiveness of the government’s COVID response is a factor, but my point was that the government has an enormous ability to influence the population. Of course the government you live under is going to have an advantage when it comes to having your approval. I’ve tried to make a point that being almost universally approved by the people that live under it is not an objective measure of morality or the amount of good it does, just popularity, and popular things aren’t always moral or good. I would also add that these numbers could simply be fudged, but I don’t know enough about the source to say that for certain and I knew you definitely wouldn’t believe it if it was true anyway.
But from how these responses are worded, I’m guessing that no matter what I say you’re just gonna stick with this narrative and let your brain decide that any information you take in is either in support of what you believe or a lie. I’m gonna go now.
Edit: after re-reading your earlier comment im actually curious about where you got that image of a graph. I know you said where it was from, but you never provided a link or the name of what it was from. That’s kind of bad form, you gotta properly cite your sources. Can you reply with it because I’m actually trying to learn more about China (cause, yk, they’re becoming kinda important) and also I think it would be funny if you were lying about the data and refused to link it
Got the graph from here. According to the source, the data’s origin is “according to surveys conducted between 2003-2016 by Harvard’s Kennedy School”.
Another source I’ve linked to in other comments, quotes: “According to the Pew Research Center, 85 percent of Chinese people in 2013 were satisfied with their government, while only 35 percent of Americans felt the same about their government. In May 2020, a University of California survey found that 88 percent of Chinese people preferred their country’s political system. A study jointly published by the Ash Center for Democratic Governance and Innovation at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government showed that Chinese people’s satisfaction with the central government rose from 86.1 percent in 2003 to 93.1 percent in 2016”.
I’ve made sure to link to sources that portray western biases such as University of California, Pew Research or the Harvard University, and yet you see the replies to my comment are plagued with people questioning the methodology, as if three different western organizations had any motives to portray pro-China bias. Lemmy is riddled with anticommunist and anti-China bias, and bringing factual data gives people such levels of cognitive bias that they’ll just outright reject the information, MAGA style.
I understand you may doubt “government satisfaction” as a metric of anything actually good, that’s reasonable I guess, but the post is about OP’s impressions of the Chinese government, which is the reason why I brought it up.
I’m so glad the wage slave who made this graphic for Poo Bear survived the nets.
Says the wage slave that fights to defend people like Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump. Good job, kid. Of course communing with people, being social is impossible for you, because you are a capitalist. Capitalists love money more than human life.
During Covid:
Which seems more responsible there? And by A LOT.
Every year, to general conflict:
Which are safer? China and Saudi Arabia.
Now, according to World Population Review, Our World Data, the UN and more regarding wealth inequality, the higher the number, the worse (Gini coefficient, 0 would mean everyone has the exact same amount of cash, so, expect it to be a minimum of 20~):
Couldn’t find the Gini for Saudi Arabia, but I am sure it’s similar to its neighbors, which dingle around the mid 20s or low 30s.
Now look at these 12 war crimes the USA has done:
Am I still supposed to believe America is better? I am a Mexican who is still suffering the consequences of Reagan and Nixon… SO, I’m doing all this for free, not for Xi, but for the truth. The truth is America sucks so, so much more. I used to think otherwise for over 20 years, I fell for the Marvel movies and military movies that painted American soldiers as badass good-will saints. But that’s over, and it is exactly people like you that put me in this exact position. So, thank you for that. Keep it up, you are perfect, because you give people like me the opportunity to share all this, and it won’t matter how many downvotes it gets, those are just Americans trying to cope, it will convince people like it convinced me. I trust reality and numbers more than your vibe and simplistic NPC one-liner insults like this comment of yours right here. Seriously, keep it up. Don’t change.
What. Who has time to read your manifesto breh
This graph was made using data from Pew Research, the University of California and the Ash Institute. Tell me again how much of a Communist, Pro-China these institutions have.
A source so that you get some more whiplash from your cognitive bias
Those manufacturing jobs for humans are super safe in the coming decade, and selling out future generations’ natural legacy surely won’t have negative consequences. You’re looking at exploitation of the labour class by the ruling class and saying it’s prosperity.
Not sure what you’re on about. AI revolution replacing humans by machines in industry? If China achieves this, it will find employment for its people in other sectors of the economy, as it historically has.
…by producing 93% of the world’s production of solar photovoltaic panels and being the largest investor in wind energy production and nuclear including the most advanced thorium reactor designs?
Go ahead and give us data about the wealth differences between politicians in China vs workers in China and compare that with western countries like USA or Germany. Go ahead, by all means, give us the data, convince us of your point and how much more a “ruling class” exists in China than elsewhere.
That’s a revisionist view of China’s labour history. There have been many examples where the glorious leadership did NOT find meaningful employment for its workers.
The Chinese government sees their citizens as a means, not an end. If it works out better to let people starve homeless, people will shiver in the rain. If it’s cheaper to use slaves, they will use slaves. If it’s cheaper to let people die, people will die. If they don’t anticipate the need for human labour in the future and there are a billion extra mouths to feed, a billion people will die.
China has some of the worst domestic environmental damage in the world. To their credit, they also have some of the best environmental remediation, but it’s still selling out the future of everyone on the planet.
I’m not the one holding out exploitation as prosperity, so I do not have to defend the actions of other exploitative environments. By your own logic, they should be viewed strictly in terms of their prosperity, so obviously you think things in Germany and the USA are just peachy.
But I would note that in Germany and the USA, corporations are independent of the state and the state is not directly benefiting from that exploitation to the same degree – merely enabling it through legislative capture. But that is not a thing in China because the Chinese government is effectively entirely captured, being effectively the same entity as all the major Chinese corporations.
You’re not talking from factual evidence, but from western exceptionalism. I’ll proceed to disregard everything else you’ve written. Have a good day malding at the rise of China and your western empire crumbling
Ask them what happens if you don’t approve of the government in China.
This is a laughable comment… Who are you trying to fool?
Sure, buddy, you know more about the methodology of these studies than literal Pew Research and the University of California. Keep going, show us more of your cognitive bias rejecting factual information about the country that your government has deemed evil and bad.
Source (surely Harvard is not an “evil dictator CCP mouthpiece”? Or are you MAGA saying everything is a psyop?)
Welp. If no one’s gonna ban this one, I’m gonna block him lol
“If nobody is going to ban the person giving me factual data contradicting my indoctrination, might as well block them”. Solid stance, not MAGA at all.
we all know why people don’t choose how they feel in a dictatorship
Surely you know better than the University of California, Pew Research and the Ash Institute, buddy
Source so that you can get educated if you want
To be fair, they just copied the Japanese, south Koreans and Taiwanese
I hope you’re joking. “Sinosphere” is the term applied to the area of the world you mention, the whole “copying” thing is backwards from what you said.
China famously has a communist party ruling the country, the rest of countries mentioned + the region of Taiwan don’t
Just because the Chinese call the Koreans 韩国 doesn’t mean you should lol. I think it’s rather insulting to group the whole of East Asia as incorporated into the Chinese Sports. Sounds a bit like whole Great East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere of the '30s and '40s.
And by copy i meant the liberalisation of the farmers to profit from their land, then moving into factories in industries that were competitive for export and finally playing venture capitalist.
If Voltaire were alive today he’d laugh at the term CCP