To Mods: I feel like this is not “political enough” for political memes… so… um… …
Taking 800 million people out of poverty and becoming the manufacturing hub of the world is not good enough of a government for you? It is for the majority of Chinese people though, highest government satisfaction rate in the world!
Edit: so many comments responding with striking cognitive dissonance against factual, empirical data carried out in study after study by Pew Research, the University of California and the Ash Institute. Westerners are so propagandized about China that they can’t even listen to western factual information about China and government satisfaction. Again: if you think you are less biased against communism than the western institutions listed above, think again.
9-9-6, suicide nets on some factories… Sounds like a happy place to be.
It’s interesting how much pro-China stuff seems to have flooded the Internet lately. They’ve even been inviting (maybe paying?) YouTubers to visit their country, despite not allowing YouTube to be accessed (legally) on their Internet. This campaign seems to be effective though.
I’m not even really anti-China. I used to conduct a lot of business with Chinese factories, and might do it again someday. But let’s not ignore reality and pretend it’s all sunshine and rainbows over there.
Whataboutism much? “Yeah, Chinese people may be overwhelmingly satisfied with their government, BUT WHAT ABOUT…”
But sure, let’s do whataboutism. I’ve visited China and the US (I’m Spanish). In China I’ve seen a total of 0 suicide nets. In the US I’ve seen plenty of public spaces forbidding people from having backpacks due to fear of mass murder with rifles. One of them was a university. Tell me again how much healthier the country that doesn’t allow BACKPACKS IN UNIVERSITIES is.
So you didn’t visit any factories with suicide nets. Great! I’ve also never witnessed a mass murder. Lucky us!
You chose the easier, less common example, but ignored the more common one that I mentioned. So whatabout 9-9-6? I’ve spoken to people in that 9-9-6 life, and exactly zero of them were happy about it.
Witnessing a mass murder would be akin to watching not a suicide net but an actual suicide, great false equivalency in your whataboutism.
What about unpaid holiday in the USA? What about homelessness rates? What about rates of poverty in urban areas and rates of employed poverty? What about diplomatic, economic and military support for genocide in Palestine? What about one in five black males going through the prison system at least once throughout their lives? What about mass incarceration rates? What about drug abuse and drug mortality? What about car-only infrastructure? What about expansive suburban without access to public transit or any walkability? What about food deserts? What about the invasion of Iraq? What about the most expensive healthcare in the planet with the least function of the developed world? What about the disintegration of public education? What about prohibitive tuition costs in universities? What about student debt? What about debt of US citizens in general? What about credit score rates? What about the price of housing being unaffordable? What about the oil dependency and the shutting down of renewable and nuclear projects? What about the “back to coal”? What about the collapse of unionization rates? What about rates of obesity? What about functional illiteracy rates? What about life expectancy being lower than in Cuba? What about massive wealth inequality? What about the most overfunded and bloated military industrial complex? What about the support for dictators and fascists all over the world? What about the CIA operations supporting coups and destroying socialist movements? What about the bombing of Libya submerging it into a civil war? What about the support for ISIS in Syria? What about mass surveillance of US citizens and of the rest of the world? What about ownership of mass media and social media by capitalist conglomerates? What about the militarized police disappearing people in the streets? What about the functionally equivalent two parties in your “democracy”? What about the pedophilic gerontocracy in power? What about the rollback of rights of women? What about the rollback of rights of trans people? What about the consistently racist policies? What about the lack of worker rights? What about the finacialized justice system? What about the total lack of public childcare infrastructure? What about the disastrous rates of second language knowledge and usage among USians? What about the exploitation of the peoples and their resources in the global south? What about the propagation of false neoliberal recipes for disaster through the IMF and its debt traps? What about the offshoring of polluting industries? What about the support for fascists like Bolsonaro and Milei?
Wow, that looks like a lot of work to avoid the 9-9-6 thing. I like this first one though:
What about unpaid holiday in the USA?
Was that at the top of the list because it was meant to compare to 9-9-6, somehow? I mean sure, unpaid holidays suck, but that’s not even in the same ballpark as working 72 hours per week, every week. At that point, you’re just living to work (as a robot/zombie slave cursed with a depressed human brain and flesh body).
As for the rest of the list: I appreciate the effort, but would it have been much harder to use an unordered list? And do you think it’s not possible to gather a big list about China that isn’t just as bad or worse?
Just out of curiosity: When you say “USians” IRL, how do you pronounce it? “You-ess-ians”? “Yousians”? “Oosians”?
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Neat buzzword ya got there. Anyway, I acknowledge that you’ll continue ignoring 9-9-6. Consider your attempts to dodge it a success. And congrats on your success :)
On a lighter topic: I’m still curious about “USian”. Appending a suffix like “ian” to an acronym is unusual in English, but this is the second time I’ve encountered it on Lemmy. How is it pronounced?
You’re talking like terrible work culture and exploitative working conditions don’t exist in America.
There are laws that limit it, and 72-hour work weeks are pretty extreme, even in the US. Do they happen? Sure. I’ve known people who have had to do hours like that for a week, maybe even two. But it’s not their normal schedule like 9-9-6 workers.
And almost half of America approves of trump, what’s your point?
Surely you are capable of understanding that 93% is a much greater number than 50%?
You just conceded the argument right there. Your purpose here isn’t to promote China and make people think it’s good, it’s to merely create doubt about the subject. That’s all the wiggle that is needed. So, bad faith arguments are all you really need.
How exactly does this
it’s to merely create doubt about the subject
follow from my comment? I posted factual evidence about China, got countered with “how about this other data I’m making up which is half as large?” and I mocked it
Are you going to address my actual point or just accuse me of not understanding kindergarten level math?
What a country thinks of its own government is not a good metric for how that government is actually doing. Quite a bit of disapproval shows significant cracks in unity, but significant approval just shows that people believe in their government. National pride was also pretty high when the United States was (it still is but I’m referring to when national pride was high) going around committing war crimes against any small nation that leaned communist and domestic terrorism against its own people in the 20th century.
National pride was also pretty high when the United States was going around committing war crimes against any small nation that leaned communist and domestic terrorism against its own people in the 20th century
Good thing China isn’t doing any of those things then, China doesnt go around doing war crimes, invading other nations or supporting fascist coups. The satisfaction rates must be coming from somewhere else then… Maybe from the extremely powerful and sustained economic growth lacking any big economic crises, the saving of millions of lives during the COVID pandemic with the strong central government mandates, the near-total home ownership rates, and the comparison of their government with those abroad?
It’s absolutely true that China’s economic growth and the effectiveness of the government’s COVID response is a factor, but my point was that the government has an enormous ability to influence the population. Of course the government you live under is going to have an advantage when it comes to having your approval. I’ve tried to make a point that being almost universally approved by the people that live under it is not an objective measure of morality or the amount of good it does, just popularity, and popular things aren’t always moral or good. I would also add that these numbers could simply be fudged, but I don’t know enough about the source to say that for certain and I knew you definitely wouldn’t believe it if it was true anyway.
But from how these responses are worded, I’m guessing that no matter what I say you’re just gonna stick with this narrative and let your brain decide that any information you take in is either in support of what you believe or a lie. I’m gonna go now.
Edit: after re-reading your earlier comment im actually curious about where you got that image of a graph. I know you said where it was from, but you never provided a link or the name of what it was from. That’s kind of bad form, you gotta properly cite your sources. Can you reply with it because I’m actually trying to learn more about China (cause, yk, they’re becoming kinda important) and also I think it would be funny if you were lying about the data and refused to link it
Got the graph from here. According to the source, the data’s origin is “according to surveys conducted between 2003-2016 by Harvard’s Kennedy School”.
Another source I’ve linked to in other comments, quotes: “According to the Pew Research Center, 85 percent of Chinese people in 2013 were satisfied with their government, while only 35 percent of Americans felt the same about their government. In May 2020, a University of California survey found that 88 percent of Chinese people preferred their country’s political system. A study jointly published by the Ash Center for Democratic Governance and Innovation at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government showed that Chinese people’s satisfaction with the central government rose from 86.1 percent in 2003 to 93.1 percent in 2016”.
I’ve made sure to link to sources that portray western biases such as University of California, Pew Research or the Harvard University, and yet you see the replies to my comment are plagued with people questioning the methodology, as if three different western organizations had any motives to portray pro-China bias. Lemmy is riddled with anticommunist and anti-China bias, and bringing factual data gives people such levels of cognitive bias that they’ll just outright reject the information, MAGA style.
I understand you may doubt “government satisfaction” as a metric of anything actually good, that’s reasonable I guess, but the post is about OP’s impressions of the Chinese government, which is the reason why I brought it up.
I’m so glad the wage slave who made this graphic for Poo Bear survived the nets.
Says the wage slave that fights to defend people like Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump. Good job, kid. Of course communing with people, being social is impossible for you, because you are a capitalist. Capitalists love money more than human life.
During Covid:
- US - 3,596 deaths per million with a population size of 335 million.
- Mexico - 2,605 deaths per million with a population size of 130 million.
- China - 85 deaths per million with a population size of 1.42 billion, 4x times the US, which should’ve been harder to administrate or manage, but they did it efficiently anyway.
Which seems more responsible there? And by A LOT.
Every year, to general conflict:
- US - 20,000± people - rate of 5.7 due to its population size.
- Mexico - 30,000± people - rate of 24.85.
- China - 7,157 people - rate of 0.502, incredibly impressive for a country 4x times the size in population.
- UK - 684 people - rate of 1.14.
- Canada - 874 people - rate of 2.27.
- My favorite, this one always makes Americans go “no way that’s true. But the way they treat gays over there!!!” Saudi Arabia - 285 people - rate of 0.795.
Which are safer? China and Saudi Arabia.
Now, according to World Population Review, Our World Data, the UN and more regarding wealth inequality, the higher the number, the worse (Gini coefficient, 0 would mean everyone has the exact same amount of cash, so, expect it to be a minimum of 20~):
- South Africa - 63.0
- Brazil - 51.6
- Zimbabwe - 50.3
- Mexico - 43.5
- US - 41.8
- China - 35.7
- UK - 32.4
- Japan - 32.3
- Sweden - 31.6
- Iraq, bro - 29.8
- Norway - 26.9
- United Arab Emirates - 26.4
- India - 25.5
- Slovakia, the lowest, most “communist one” as Americans say - 24.1
Couldn’t find the Gini for Saudi Arabia, but I am sure it’s similar to its neighbors, which dingle around the mid 20s or low 30s.
Now look at these 12 war crimes the USA has done:
- Iran 1953 - CIA + MI6 overthrew Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh after he nationalized oil.
- Guatemala 1954 - CIA toppled President Jacobo Árbenz after he pushed land reforms that were hated by U.S. corporations (United Fruit Company).
- Congo 1960 - The U.S. indirectly supported the removal and 86 of Patrice Lumumba and backed Mobutu’s dictatorship.
- South Vietnam 1963 - CIA green-lit the coup that ousted and 86 Ngo Dinh Diem.
- Brazil 1964 - CIA supported the right-wing military junta that removed President João Goulart.
- Chile 1970 - CIA spent millions trying to block Allende’s election, then supported the military coup that put Pinochet in power.
- Nicaragua 1980 - U.S. illegally funded the Contras to destabilize the Sandinista government.
- Afghanistan 1979 - U.S. funded and armed the mujahideen to bleed the Soviets, destabilizing the region for decades (and indirectly creating conditions for the Taliban).
- Iraq 2003 - Full-scale invasion removing Saddam Hussein, plunging country into chaos and sectarian war.
- Lybia 2011 - NATO intervention helped topple Gaddafi, leading to civil war, militias, and slave markets.
- Honduras 2009 - Not a CIA coup, but U.S. tacitly supported the military-backed ouster of President Zelaya by legitimizing the new government.
- Syria 2011 - CIA’s “Timber Sycamore” program armed various rebel factions, worsening the civil war.
Am I still supposed to believe America is better? I am a Mexican who is still suffering the consequences of Reagan and Nixon… SO, I’m doing all this for free, not for Xi, but for the truth. The truth is America sucks so, so much more. I used to think otherwise for over 20 years, I fell for the Marvel movies and military movies that painted American soldiers as badass good-will saints. But that’s over, and it is exactly people like you that put me in this exact position. So, thank you for that. Keep it up, you are perfect, because you give people like me the opportunity to share all this, and it won’t matter how many downvotes it gets, those are just Americans trying to cope, it will convince people like it convinced me. I trust reality and numbers more than your vibe and simplistic NPC one-liner insults like this comment of yours right here. Seriously, keep it up. Don’t change.
What. Who has time to read your manifesto breh
This graph was made using data from Pew Research, the University of California and the Ash Institute. Tell me again how much of a Communist, Pro-China these institutions have.
A source so that you get some more whiplash from your cognitive bias
Those manufacturing jobs for humans are super safe in the coming decade, and selling out future generations’ natural legacy surely won’t have negative consequences. You’re looking at exploitation of the labour class by the ruling class and saying it’s prosperity.
Those manufacturing jobs for humans are super safe in the coming decade
Not sure what you’re on about. AI revolution replacing humans by machines in industry? If China achieves this, it will find employment for its people in other sectors of the economy, as it historically has.
selling out future generations’ natural legacy
…by producing 93% of the world’s production of solar photovoltaic panels and being the largest investor in wind energy production and nuclear including the most advanced thorium reactor designs?
You’re looking at exploitation of the labour class by the ruling class
Go ahead and give us data about the wealth differences between politicians in China vs workers in China and compare that with western countries like USA or Germany. Go ahead, by all means, give us the data, convince us of your point and how much more a “ruling class” exists in China than elsewhere.
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That’s a revisionist view of China’s labour history. There have been many examples where the glorious leadership did NOT find meaningful employment for its workers.
The Chinese government sees their citizens as a means, not an end. If it works out better to let people starve homeless, people will shiver in the rain. If it’s cheaper to use slaves, they will use slaves. If it’s cheaper to let people die, people will die. If they don’t anticipate the need for human labour in the future and there are a billion extra mouths to feed, a billion people will die. -
China has some of the worst domestic environmental damage in the world. To their credit, they also have some of the best environmental remediation, but it’s still selling out the future of everyone on the planet.
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I’m not the one holding out exploitation as prosperity, so I do not have to defend the actions of other exploitative environments. By your own logic, they should be viewed strictly in terms of their prosperity, so obviously you think things in Germany and the USA are just peachy.
But I would note that in Germany and the USA, corporations are independent of the state and the state is not directly benefiting from that exploitation to the same degree – merely enabling it through legislative capture. But that is not a thing in China because the Chinese government is effectively entirely captured, being effectively the same entity as all the major Chinese corporations.
The Chinese government sees their citizens as a means, not an end. If it works out better to let people starve homeless, people will shiver in the rain
You’re not talking from factual evidence, but from western exceptionalism. I’ll proceed to disregard everything else you’ve written. Have a good day malding at the rise of China and your western empire crumbling
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Ask them what happens if you don’t approve of the government in China.
This is a laughable comment… Who are you trying to fool?
Sure, buddy, you know more about the methodology of these studies than literal Pew Research and the University of California. Keep going, show us more of your cognitive bias rejecting factual information about the country that your government has deemed evil and bad.
Source (surely Harvard is not an “evil dictator CCP mouthpiece”? Or are you MAGA saying everything is a psyop?)
Welp. If no one’s gonna ban this one, I’m gonna block him lol
“If nobody is going to ban the person giving me factual data contradicting my indoctrination, might as well block them”. Solid stance, not MAGA at all.
we all know why people don’t choose how they feel in a dictatorship
Surely you know better than the University of California, Pew Research and the Ash Institute, buddy
Source so that you can get educated if you want
To be fair, they just copied the Japanese, south Koreans and Taiwanese
I hope you’re joking. “Sinosphere” is the term applied to the area of the world you mention, the whole “copying” thing is backwards from what you said.
China famously has a communist party ruling the country, the rest of countries mentioned + the region of Taiwan don’t
Just because the Chinese call the Koreans 韩国 doesn’t mean you should lol. I think it’s rather insulting to group the whole of East Asia as incorporated into the Chinese Sports. Sounds a bit like whole Great East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere of the '30s and '40s.
And by copy i meant the liberalisation of the farmers to profit from their land, then moving into factories in industries that were competitive for export and finally playing venture capitalist.
If Voltaire were alive today he’d laugh at the term CCP
I have noticed an uptick in anti-China sentiment recently. Are these bots still trying to convince people that China bad, America better? Like, come on, just look at these numbers:
During Covid:
- US - 3,596 deaths per million with a population size of 335 million.
- Mexico - 2,605 deaths per million with a population size of 130 million.
- China - 85 deaths per million with a population size of 1.42 billion, 4x times the US, which should’ve been harder to administrate or manage, but they did it efficiently anyway.
Which seems more responsible there? And by A LOT.
Every year, to general conflict:
- US - 20,000± people - rate of 5.7 due to its population size.
- Mexico - 30,000± people - rate of 24.85.
- China - 7,157 people - rate of 0.502, incredibly impressive for a country 4x times the size in population.
- UK - 684 people - rate of 1.14.
- Canada - 874 people - rate of 2.27.
- My favorite, this one always makes Americans go “no way that’s true. But the way they treat gays over there!!!” Saudi Arabia - 285 people - rate of 0.795.
Which are safer? China and Saudi Arabia.
Now, according to World Population Review, Our World Data, the UN and more regarding wealth inequality, the higher the number, the worse (Gini coefficient, 0 would mean everyone has the exact same amount of cash, so, expect it to be a minimum of 20~):
- South Africa - 63.0
- Brazil - 51.6
- Zimbabwe - 50.3
- Mexico - 43.5
- US - 41.8
- China - 35.7
- UK - 32.4
- Japan - 32.3
- Sweden - 31.6
- Iraq, bro - 29.8
- Norway - 26.9
- United Arab Emirates - 26.4
- India - 25.5
- Slovakia, the lowest, most “communist one” as Americans say - 24.1
Couldn’t find the Gini for Saudi Arabia, but I am sure it’s similar to its neighbors, which dingle around the mid 20s or low 30s.
Now look at these 12 war crimes the USA has done:
- Iran 1953 - CIA + MI6 overthrew Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh after he nationalized oil.
- Guatemala 1954 - CIA toppled President Jacobo Árbenz after he pushed land reforms that were hated by U.S. corporations (United Fruit Company).
- Congo 1960 - The U.S. indirectly supported the removal and 86 of Patrice Lumumba and backed Mobutu’s dictatorship.
- South Vietnam 1963 - CIA green-lit the coup that ousted and 86 Ngo Dinh Diem.
- Brazil 1964 - CIA supported the right-wing military junta that removed President João Goulart.
- Chile 1970 - CIA spent millions trying to block Allende’s election, then supported the military coup that put Pinochet in power.
- Nicaragua 1980 - U.S. illegally funded the Contras to destabilize the Sandinista government.
- Afghanistan 1979 - U.S. funded and armed the mujahideen to bleed the Soviets, destabilizing the region for decades (and indirectly creating conditions for the Taliban).
- Iraq 2003 - Full-scale invasion removing Saddam Hussein, plunging country into chaos and sectarian war.
- Lybia 2011 - NATO intervention helped topple Gaddafi, leading to civil war, militias, and slave markets.
- Honduras 2009 - Not a CIA coup, but U.S. tacitly supported the military-backed ouster of President Zelaya by legitimizing the new government.
- Syria 2011 - CIA’s “Timber Sycamore” program armed various rebel factions, worsening the civil war.
As a Mexican struggling really hard because of the insane amount of damage the USA has done to us, Reagan and Nixon forcing us to join this pointless war on drugs just so we’d live in fear and work for you cheap, the whole Operation Fast & Furious under Gorge Bush, you promising us that you will save us for over 50 years, inflating your chest and whatnot, yet, your army lost to the Taliban after a decade of fighting them, to some Vietnamese farmers too, they didn’t win the 1812 War, the Korean Wars (a stalemate, a really embarrassing one because the US had literally about 21 countries fighting in their side against the Soviets and China, and it was a god damn stalemate, dude, make some sense of that), they lost to Fidel Castro in the Bay of Pigs Invasion, the Iran Hostage Crisis from 1979, the Iraq War, lost the War on Drugs and also Terror, which is costing the USA trillions of dollars a year to fix today and still ongoing, to Vietnam, to Canada in 1812, Lebanon in 1982, Somalia in 1992, Afghanistan in 2001, the Operation Eagle Claw is never forgotten either, struggled so hard in Granada and Panama in the 1980s, struggling and clearly losing in Syria too. They also stole the credit of WWII like the typical leech in a dungeon group who only loots the corpses of the enemies at the very end. Oppenheimer’s dad was a German-Jewish man, all the main creators of GTA are from Scotland and the UK, hamburgers were created in Hamburg (and wouldn’t exist without the invention of the sandwich, which is English), hot-dogs were created in Germany, Stan Lee was the child of two Romanian-born Jews, his values and culture come from that place more than New York City…
And yet, I still see so many people coping so bad about the American army being “the strongest in the world” and posts like these about China. I used to think the USA was the hero of the world, our “best bet to achieve a utopia due to its cultural diversity and tolerance,” lol, but I was wrong, I was naive. I even cried for Bradley Cooper’s character in American Sniper, but then, I just remember that that dude killed so many innocent people that were forced to do evil to survive or reclaim their dignity… Like, what the hell is all this, seriously? These posts, these comments, these people, are they real? Do people still think the American Dream is a thing? You already lost me and so many more. I know a lot of you will say you don’t care because I am a Mexican and I should be “fixing my own country instead of caring about yours” as I constantly get told by MAGAs. Thing is, if I want to help and save my country, I have to look at you, the biggest root of all. The biggest terrorist group in the entire world: The ‘United’ States of America.
After suffering so much, I’d prefer to live in China than the USA, I don’t care about the censorship and authoritarian nonsense. It is what you people need because you are way too unruly, too messy, too chaotic. Over 20% of teachers in the USA have quit their job the past few years because these new generations of children are making them quit. I could go on and on about how horrible the USA is, it’s super easy to be honest, it’s tiringsome too. So, whenever I see posts like this one and comments glazing the American Army or even the government as a whole, I can’t help but cringe so hard. I can’t believe this is still a thing anymore. Wake up, it’s over. America is nothing but a joke, a bad one. Stop coping, bro. I used to hate China so hard, but now, after I saw Trump win AGAIN, I completely gave up on you, all of you, every single one, because you lied to me through my entire life. I remember TV channels talking about China negatively only, showing the smog they had in 2010, the contamination and all that. I keep getting shown videos of Chinese people ignoring someone who got into an accident. I keep getting told that China sucks, that everyone there is living bad and unhappy. And now I see this post, trying to tell me that the government sucks so bad, yet they are more effective at protecting and pleasing their people than the USA. Why? What the hell is the point of all this?
Americans are really not that different from us, Mexicans. I see you both as equals. The exact same thing. You behave and sound very alike. You also share the same level of intelligence and loyalty to your country. Please, get me out of here. There is no money or no job that fits my skills of 3D modeling, creating gaming AIs like GOAP, Utility, FSM… I try so hard to create an indie game, just like I wrote books and had a shot at so many ideas to make money, I went to the ITESM which is the Harvard of Latin America, a lot of rich Americans go there themselves, I got there with a scholarship of 80%, I was very lucky and unlucky at the same time, because even though I graduated as a Software Engineer, I am still surrounded by a severe lack of opportunities, stability and people who rather see my little brother who has Down Syndrome dead. It’s not worth working for you, to be honest. Posts like these only inspire me to seek support with my local Mexican cartels, because they are the only ones offering me a chance to enjoy my wasted youth. All my 20s wasted in mediocrity and dullness, because money is not moving, money is being used to fund wars and bomb children in Gaza. Some sources I saw here in Lemmy said we only need 93 billion USD a year to solve World Hunger, yet you spent over 20 trillion USD in the military over the past decade. That is about 10% of the budget to solve World Hunger over the same decade. You paid all that with your taxes, and you feed that machine by not doing anything about it at all. I only have respect for Luigi Mangione, and to me, there is no such thing as an “innocent” person in this world anymore. Not even a newborn. It is thanks to posts like these, people with mindsets like that, that I keep getting pushed to believe that the only way to make people understand and never forget that greed should be stopped as soon as possible, is by living through the worst yourselves. That’s the difference between sympathy and empathy. Sympathetic people ONLY care when the bad thing like losing a child or whatever happens to them FIRST. Empathetic people, on the other hand, can imagine that pain without having lived that experience yet. This is why empathetic people are worth more than sympathetic ones. There should also be a cap on wealth, 10 million USD is a lot, but is a good start. That is literally almost 200 million MXN pesos. With that amount you can build 3 or 4 schools with your name on it. Wanna build a mall or something bigger? Be a human and work with people that think like you. Nobody should rely on a few billionaires, etc.
Bro you have zero comments and your account is 7 days old.
Also I love my motherland, I hate the government.
I’ve been using Lemmy for over a year, ever since they removed Boost. I never bothered to make an account, because I promised myself I would rather avoid toxic social medias. But constantly seeing people in Lemmy glaze the USA like this, increasingly over the past months, and also the day I read someone here say that the “worst person in the world to them is Pewdiepie” I just could not resist any longer.
I can easily prove who I am. I am not afraid. I wrote a book titled “Alcarodia A New World”, my name is Oscar Hinojosa, and I have literally posted in my LinkedIn account something similar to this, but way more violent, because IDGAF anymore, I got nothing to lose. Fuck capitalism, fuck the USA, fuck everyone who still talks shit about communism and socialism too.
You trying to pull an ad hominem on me won’t work anymore.
Stop defending the USA, because you only sound like this serf I talked to two days ago in Youtube. He said this after I blamed billionaires for everything bad in this world:
"citizens didn’t even have rights back then mate. And yeah, life was better than living in caves, but it was shocking compared to today’s standards.
And yes, your healthcare is better than the past. It wasn’t a king that demanded it. Technology wasn’t demanded by a king either. Individuals going about their own lives created this world. Life isn’t easy, but you have a much MUCH better life than those that came before you. And later in your life, you’ll have access to the lifestyles of today’s millionaires.
Your problem is funding right now. But it’s not access. You have access to a lifestyle that a king couldn’t even imagine. If you wanted to walk through a perfectly kept garden, and get hosed on beer and wine and eat a roast chicken with your hands, you can do that pretty cheaply. Sleeping in a clean bed that’s warm and dry is also very achievable. This is how a king lived. Access to a plane to visit other countries, a cruise ship, coffees, restaurants were only available to absolute privileged. They are more and more accessible and common place. You are on your own journey. And you use services provided not by government but by innovative businesses. If you are not happy with your current trajectory, only you can change it"
You heard that? We should be thankful with what we have. Someday we will have our own yatch, our own island and private jet like this capitalist said! We get to eat roasted chicken with our hands for cheap unlike the peasants from 2,000 years ago!
It’s always the conformists. I hate them so goddamn much. I really hate to say this too, but Lemmy is slowly and increasingly starting to sound like Reddit. It’s sad, but inevitable.
Either way, these will be my only comments. Isn’t worth discussing this. I can already tell people will keep moving the goalposts as always. Look at the guy below me, very angry at me for “trying to argue who is worse” as if that’s something wrong or bad to do? Like, I know nothing will ever be perfect, but goddamn the gap between the USA and China is insane, like, come on. I cannot take anyone seriously anymore, I seriously can’t. The dude tried to still equate USA = China, just like people tried to do with Kamala = Trump. Even after everything I showed, all the numbers, the war crimes, my personal sentiment, the dude is still MAD AT ME. Nah, fuck this. Both the USA and Mexico 100% deserve everything that is happening to them and what is to come. Same for the Chinese. I am glad you got put in your place. The majority of human beings truly suck, I don’t care if you want to include me there or not, I don’t care about how people see or perceive me anymore, I am going to probably die soon, in a few years, so, good luck. I hope you get to have 7+ children and a big house with 5+ bedrooms like the average baby boomer did. Both my grandparents had like 9 children and massive houses (at my age, 27, both of my grandpas were going for their fifth child, and one of them didn’t even go to college, he just inherited the lands and businesses of my Lebanese grand grandfather who had to escape Lebanon because the USA and Israel decided to bomb them just for being Arabs. He was just a businessman, a silk seller, not a politician or whatever. Same for the rest of my family that did get killed there, they were teachers, doctors, accountants… What an amazing world and country, right?), one of them can fit like 7 average homes in there. My aunts and uncles? They mostly had 1 or 2 children and a decent big house. Friends and cousins? 0, and no home, no opportunities, no stability. All that youth completely wasted, I couldn’t go out, party, dine outside, buy what I wanted, no confidence, no stability, just stress, constantly worrying and trying to come up with a strategy to get out of this poverty, this hole, because there was no money and no capital to ask for “a small loan of 1 million dollars” to my daddy. My money is still in billionaires’ hands. And here you are, working for their agenda by still fighting among yourselves, about which fucking country is better or not, like, yeah, dude, I give up. I give up. Cya.
Literally no one here defends USA, that was not even part of meme, you came up with non-existing argument and wrote a book around it. Get a grip
Are you seriously trying to argue who is worse? I am pretty sure that US is way worse but China definitely sucks.
If do find you last comment enlightened. Yes we are not that much different. In fact China pumped out more billionaires than the US this year. Just two imperialist fascist countries sitting in a tree.
Yes dude, I am. The world would be a much better place if the USA was replaced with China and I am goddamn tired of pretending it “wouldn’t.” I am on the verge of death thanks to people like you and you’re still trying to convince me that the country that loses more than 22,000+ people a year to violence, not natural causes, is better than the country with 4x times the population size, yet a quarter of that death toll a year compared to the USA, the supposedly and self-called “#1 country in the world.”
Do not even try to equate them, dude. You sound exactly like the people that say “Kamala Harris would’ve been the exact same as Trump.” Literally.
I don’t like facism whether it is the US or China. I hate dictatorships. I hate for life presidents. I hate one party governments. I hate having to trust in the idea of a benevolent dictatorship. I want a government that fears the people and leaderships can be easily replaced as opposed to becoming centralized under one person because fuck kings.
We can totally agree to disagree but the way the current Chinese government came to power was very brutal. We are talking 2 to 40 million dead depending how you calculate the loss of life.
No country is perfect and China is far from one.
I find it strange you would attribute the rise of China to their internal policies as opposed to the reality of them taking advantage of US and other foreign investments. China is great because of the US not despite it.
You sound like someone who is a pick me for China. This often happens when westerners get disillusioned with the US. Which I think is easy to do. They will look into some other country to latch onto.
For instance, I am guilty of looking up to some Western European countries policies and idealizing them. I was once also very enamored with socialism. I still am in a lot of ways.
“China is great because of the US” lmao. “We are talking 2 to 40 million dead” what an insane gap. “them taking advantage of US and other foreign investments” oh my god, you are a MAGA, dude, these are Trump’s talking points ever since his first term.
Yeah, Lemmy is getting filled with bots to keep further dividing people with nonsense like this. Goodluck
Hey, I get it. You don’t have answers and that is okay. Nationalism is always a symptom of a deeper problem and also relies on hiding the truth.
I told you the US was way worse than China. That makes me MAGA?
I think you are just confused and frustrated and really don’t know what the fuck you are saying at this point. I encourage you to continue examining your opinions. Cheers!
I mean you can say the same for america
Eh, I’ll be honest the English language is so dumb tbh, no offense to westerners, but wtf is all the weird grammar and spelling and pronunciations…
But yea if you put aside politics, almost everywhere has something good about it.
English is three languages in a trench coat mugging other languages for more words. That’s why it’s so fucky, also there have been attempts to reform the language but outside of the Webster Oxford split most of the time it’s only effected a word or two resulting in weirdnes like with solder/sodder/soder which are all ways of saying and spelling the same fucking word.
It’s frankly a miracle nearly every dialect is intelligible with eachother if folks slow down their speech, though mines so fucken scuffed it breaks speech to text.
I’ve always found it ironic how much we actually have in common with our adversaries
Poor people suffering, same tale as most of the world.
Except Nordic countries, they figured it out somehow…
There’s nothing particularly special about our language or food other than both being an amalgamation and bastardization of other cultures.
Disagree on the first panel, us cuisine is hundreds of years in making. Chinese food has been in development for many millenia! It’s goooood
I would also put Chinese infrastructure and build quality in the middle too. While you do see a lot of cool shit they are building, you see a lot of there shit fall over because of a lite breeze.
duudeee I said something like that on .ml and got seriously scared for my life. Dude literally stalked me. I think he was ccp police, no normal person acts like that lol
waiting for my stalker friend to come hate on me lol
How did they stalk you? I had some wackos trying to publicly shame me for having down voted them (didn’t work as they expected I guess) or mention something about other comments on other communities.
It’s weird, but not unheard of, or a uniquely tankie trait. They are more usually using puppet accounts.
They read all my comments ever. Literally went investigate my life through my comments
It’s a pretty good idea to set down a new persona for every social media account - build a life like writing a story, condense it into like 6 sentences and read through it before you comment. Throws stalkers for a loop and it’s fun imagining them tear their hair out trying to figure out who you are.
I meam I’m already super careful but those people are really trying to mr. evil and “take over the word”.
He didn’t spend 8 years in evil medical school to be called “Mr. Evil” thank you very much!
oh god you’re right! it’s Doctor Evil. lol Guess I’m dead now
Ok, so?
haha found em
Congrats on your impending ban from .ml
Lmfaoooo
Something about the meta lore of .ml users on Lemmy is something I will never get tired of.
They posted on .world. It should be okay, right? Did it ever happen where they banned people for posting stuff on other instances?
IDK about the admins, but community mods in the lemmyverse can ban other users for whatever reason they want and that happens all the time (“serial downvoting” is the most common excuse I’ve seen, the pro-AI communities do it all the time to shore up the walls of their echo chambers…). At the admin level, .world notoriously rarely bans at the instance level, whereas .ml … does tend to do that, yeah.
.ml’s practically the opposite. Dessalines and Davel do the vast majority of the banning, while the mods do jack shit in comparison.
Pretty sure I’ve been temp banned from ml like a dozen times or something. Who knows the exact amount. They’re generous with bans but apparently a perm is rarer
I was temp banned for suggesting someone had an alt account.
I’m almost certain that .ml is run by sime comunist police.
They do appear to be regular bootlicking enthusiasts, not actual collaborators. There’s a fair amount of scrutiny on them.
Believe it or not, straight to jail.
Its fine, they cant do anything except stay in their own bootlicking bubble. Because of Lemmy’s design, they cant control it.
Imagine being so racist and unfunny that even politicalmemes wouldn’t let you post. Proud day for you and your family, dipshit
Ah yes: a Chinese person expressing distaste towards their country’s authoritarian government is racist. Makes total sense.
They’re not racist. They’re sinophobic /sarcasm
And being pro-ukraine is russophobia, don’t forget that /s
And being anti-Trump is ‘Trump derrangement syndrome’ /s
The Chinese government is a race?
Disregarding the Chinese opinion of the Chinese government from a western standpoint is kinda racist yeah, it’s removing agency from Chinese people.
Having a different opinion than the Chinese people is neither racism nor removing agency from the Chinese people. Where did this logic even come from? It’s not like he’s criticising the Chinese race by disagreeing with their opinion. Me not liking your favourite food does not relate to your race nor your agency to like the food, so why should it for opinions on goverments?
It’s so fucking funny yet nonsensical and pathetic. I have always seen this accusation of “racism” when criticising CCP. CCP trolls have taken a page from Israeli government’s successful co-opting of “antisemitism”. Although CCP’s attempt to weaponise “racism” falls flat when you point out that the criticism is railed on pissing off South East Asia and Taiwan by trying to claim an entire body of ocean and wanting to annex a democratic society. So nothing is racist here. The “racism” angle is founded on weak grounds. Maybe this works on Chinese domestic audience? Russian trolls are cleverer with their psychological subversive tactics.
well then i must be racist cause i hate the U.S. government specifically.
I hate the majority of governments, so pancist? Oo
McCarthyists unironically believe this.
Part of the problem with vilifying a culture for nearly a century is that your audience will eventually lose the ability to distinguish between the individual and the stereotype.
That’s how we got Japanese Internment in the 1940s. That’s a big reason for the anti-Venezuela hysteria in the modern day.
“Racism is when you don’t like the Chinese government”?
“<word that people have negative connotations about> is when you don’t like <thing that I kinda like>”
- manipulative people for whom facts mean even less than consent
Actual footage of where this hot take came from:
These posts are a good way to find who to mute!
So are we just going to ignore the bit about “Chinese families” then? Seems like a rather broad racial generalization, and the poster is quite clearly implying their belief in some negative stereotype.
Your response doesn’t even make sense, unless you are proposing that all “Chinese families” are actually CCP officials?
The poster is Chinese, and regularly writes about struggling with cultural expectations with regards to traditional Chinese familial norms. If I wrote that white American family cultural norms were fucked, as a partly-white American, would that make me racist? Not only that, but families are placed at the midpoint, not the fucked-up ‘end’ of the drawing.
Yeah, everyone seeing this knows the poster’s heritage, favorite food, and post address.
There is a difference between “Chinese families” and “my Chinese family”. Maybe you would understand if “Chinese” was replaced with “Black”.
It’s just plain bigotry.
The Chinese families bit is most likely a reference to widespread, problematic family dynamics stemming from shared social pressures in China. Just in living memory, a household might have gone through: a revolution, the cultural revolution, famine, rapid urbanization, one child policy, economic booms, economic bubbles, etc…
That will leave any family pretty fucked up, though it may not be universally bad (hence, only the middle of the horse). In the future, we’ll probably see similar echoes of trauma from the USA’s current historical flashpoint.
^ Typical Tankie L Take
Anti-racist = tankie
Calling criticism of the Chinese state government racism = tankie
Why are tankies always so dishonest?
This is a known community member who was born in China.
Hahahahahahahahaha thanks I needed a good laugh this morning :)
As someone from the PRC myself, I can share the following experience with you:
雪花飘飘 北风萧萧
天地一片苍茫
一剪寒梅 傲立雪中
只为伊人飘香
爱我所爱 无怨无悔
此情长留心间
雪花飘飘 北风萧萧
天地一片苍茫
一剪寒梅 傲立雪中
只为伊人飘香
爱我所爱 无怨无悔
此情长留心间老师，我只读了二年级，这词这么深，我怎看懂？😭
But okay I’ll give it a try…
So I had to look up dictionaries…
雪花飘飘 北风萧萧
天地一片苍茫
一剪寒梅 傲立雪中
只为伊人飘香
爱我所爱 无怨无悔
此情长留心间爱我所爱 无怨无悔
So… is this basically telling me to just accept myself and let go of grievances?
雪花飘飘 北风萧萧
Is 北风 referring to 北京? Like the harsh cold weather and alluding to the politics? Like the winds of politics pushing things away?
天地一片苍茫
the world is so big, you can go anywhere?
一剪寒梅 傲立雪中
一剪 meaning the relationship being cut off? (like change of citizenship?) 傲立雪中 Meaning to be brave and stand in the “snow of uncertainty”?
只为伊人飘香
(continuing from above line) bravely live on for yourself?
此情长留心间
what is the 情? like the attachment to heritage? the attachment forever being in your heart even when the relationship is cut off? like the love for food and stuff even when you dislike your toxic relationships that which you acquired the taste for the food?
I probably just projected a lot of my feeling on to those words and my interpretation is probably all wrong lol.
Also, why is the same lines repeated?
Also, why is the same lines repeated?
I assume it’s to hammer in the point. That’s usually why lines are repeated in literature and poems.
雪花飘飘 北风萧萧 天地一片苍茫 一剪寒梅 傲立雪中 只为伊人飘香 爱我所爱 无怨无悔 此情长留心间 雪花飘飘 北风萧萧 天地一片苍茫 一剪寒梅 傲立雪中 只为伊人飘香 爱我所爱 无怨无悔 此情长留心间
Snowflakes flutter, the north wind howls, The world is a vast expanse of white, A lone plum blossom stands proudly in the snow, Its fragrance is offered only for her. I love what I love, without regret, This love will forever remain in my heart. Snowflakes flutter, the north wind howls, The world is a vast expanse of white, A lone plum blossom stands proudly in the snow, Its fragrance is offered only for her. I love what I love, without regret, This love will forever remain in my heart.
Is this translation correct? If so, I don’t understand how this poetry is related; unless it’s all a metaphor that’s subtext for some kind of political message.
From what I could ascertain, it is correct, but it’s from this meme:
That’s beautiful
