• MurrayL@lemmy.world
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    23 hours ago

    The fact they had to do this to earn a promotion is an institutional problem. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

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      23 hours ago

      hate the game.

      Game rules: You want a promotion? Make something cool, improve something while using approaches that will show that you deserve a higher position and, therefore, a bigger salary.

      Player: (Lies and creates shit that is even worse than the initial situation.)

      Lemmy: Don’t hate the player, hate the game.

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        22 hours ago

        You are contradicting yourself. If writing bullshit and making things worse gets you a better career position

        You want a promotion? Make something cool, improve something while using approaches that will show that you deserve a higher position and, therefore, a bigger salary

        Is not the rule of the game. Sell your story to your superiors is the rule of the game, that’s the real metric, the the thing that really matters.

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          20 hours ago

          Some people will do anything to justify scumbag behavior. How about instead of trying to define what a player and a game are we just say “this guy is clearly a scumbag, he should be sued”.

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          22 hours ago

          You are contradicting yourself.

          Do you want me to present you with a definition of “lie”? I believe you don’t understand the phrase “Lies and creates shit”.

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            21 hours ago

            They built something worse and we’re still promoted for it despite it being demonstrably worse. Where’s the lie? They described something complex and techy sounding, did it, and got the promotion anyway regardless of the actual results, proving the results didn’t matter.

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              21 hours ago

              So you want the manager to be cleverer than the engineer in engineering, so the manager would be able to detect a deliberate lie from the engineer?

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                  You expect a manager to be more competent in engineering than an engineer? You expect the manager to always expect a lie from an engineer and recheck any data received from the engineer?

                  Well, we have very different ideas about how engineers and managers work.

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                    Technical managers exist. Yes, it’s a manager’s responsibility to understand the field he’s working in. He doesn’t need to be a more skilled engineer, but he needs to understand what his/her people are saying.

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                I’d expect a manager to be able to determine that testing data for the new process is showing it is worse than the previous system it replaced, and NOT promote that person, at the very least …

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        But that isn’t the game rule, now is it?

        The rule is more: convince the c-suite that you deserve a promotion by any means necessary. Even if you have to make things up.

        This is the difference between RAW and RAI.

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        22 hours ago

        More like game rules: manager needs shiny buzzwords and big number go up. Having something that works fine for 5 years is considered stale and corporate culture is all about useless innovation.

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            19 hours ago

            No. That putting the onus of change on individuals is a losing proposition. The incentives have to change or no number of good people will fix it. I hear the French have had very effective solutions in the past.

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              19 hours ago

              That’s just repeating the same thing: you think life being shitty is a reason to be evil, and someone not you has to make life less shitty before being evil is no longer acceptable. I disagree.

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                You seem to believe that I think it a justification for evil. I do not, people should not do such things and they are shitty people for doing them.

                I’m saying that the idea of some good people doing the right thing fixing the problem is naive and doomed to failure and a real solution to the problem has to be bigger than the lazy “just no one be evil” proposition you seem into to champion.

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                    My mistake. I believed you to be proposing a solution to the evil proposed. Not idly judging people with no meaningful contribution toward making things better.