Big “just pull yourself up by your bootstraps” energy with this comment.
It’s insane that you think people have to hit a minimum bar of “productivity” to justify living above a barely-scraping-by level, and that you set that bar at over half a person’s waking hours.
Yes, why the fuck not? Social safety nets and access to basic human necessities like food, shelter, and healthcare should not be gated by some arbitrary number of “working hours”.
It’s no an argument dude. It’s material and economic reality.
The problem with the current safety net is we don’t have enough going in. And you want to put less in while everyone takes out more.
That isn’t how reality works. You seem to think the garden of eden is just a matter of politics. in order for there to be food, medical care, etc, people need to provide it. people need to work.
Big “just pull yourself up by your bootstraps” energy with this comment.
It’s insane that you think people have to hit a minimum bar of “productivity” to justify living above a barely-scraping-by level, and that you set that bar at over half a person’s waking hours.
what should people do then? work 10 hours a week and then sit around watching TV for 120?
Yes, why the fuck not? Social safety nets and access to basic human necessities like food, shelter, and healthcare should not be gated by some arbitrary number of “working hours”.
because society would collapse. social programs only work by having more people putting into them than are taking out. they are a form of insurance.
resources are not infinite. the insurance company can’t operate if it’s pay outs exceed it’s pay ins.
So your argument is that if everyone has access to basic necessities, society would collapse? What in the slipperiest of slopes are you talking about?
If your “society” is dependent on people voluntarily going into wage slavery, maybe it should collapse.
It’s no an argument dude. It’s material and economic reality.
The problem with the current safety net is we don’t have enough going in. And you want to put less in while everyone takes out more.
That isn’t how reality works. You seem to think the garden of eden is just a matter of politics. in order for there to be food, medical care, etc, people need to provide it. people need to work.
We’re talking about two different things then. I’m talking about how things should be.