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      The man was a dictator, obviously the people will be conflicted how to feel about this situation, especially since nobody has any idea what will happen now. Just because you’re invaded by another country doesn’t mean you also can’t celebrate if they manage to dethrone your tyrant leader you wished dead anyway. This doesn’t mean they have to support the invasion or be okay with it by any means. The world isn’t black and white

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        People need to learn from history. Every time major powers are involved countries are destroyed. I don’t see many venezuelan reject outside intervention

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          I didn’t make any claims against that. Obviously attacking a sovereign nation and abducting their leader is against international law, and completely fucked up in general

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            I am criticizing the Venezuelans who celebrate knowing very well the USA will steal their resources

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              And I’m pointing out they’re not celebrating USA stealing their resources but their dictator being taken down

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                The dictator was kidnapped by a war criminal called Trump who have his own Gestapo kidnapping people from the street and is clear about controlling the country using oil companies.

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                  That doesn’t change the fact that the dictator got taken down. If USA was invaded and Trump was taken, a lot of people would celebrate that but still want to kick the shit out of the invaders

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        “honey good news, we don’t have to worry about my early parkison diagnosis… they just found a terminal, stage 4 cancer, in my brain”

        that’s your stance right now

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          No it’s more like “hey honey, they finally cut the big brain tumor out! It looks like it’s spread in my lungs too though so I’ll still probably die later, but at least the seizures stopped for now”

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            again you are assuming an improvement… where is your evidence of that happening?

            the orange turd is actively dismanteling healthcare and education in murica but you seem to think héln rebuild hospitals in Venezuela?

            he is persecuting his political rivals in murica but he’ll certainly allow free speech in Venezuela, right?

            he is fucking deporting muricans to be tortured but sure, he will respect personal safety of Venezuelans?

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              I’m not assuming improvement, I’m pointing out people can have conflicting feelings and opinions about something. I can’t believe I have to try to explain why people would rejoice about a dictator being gone

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                no, your comments clearly assume improvement… nothing will be better under trump as a colonizer… not even the stuff thah was terrible under a dictator

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                  If that’s what you got from what I was trying to say, I really don’t know what to tell you. I’ll just note that I’m not trying to defend USAs actions against international law if that’s also too difficult to understand, personally I’d like to see all dictators, Maduro, Putin, Trump, whoever holds tyrannical power and uses it to oppress and murder, be trialed and hanged for their crimes against humanity. But that’s a fleeting dream in this world

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      God forbid anyone have a more nuanced opinion than “orange man ban”. The funniest part of American imperialism is that whole world is supposed to participate in US domestic politics.

      • The problem with the child rapist is that, up until now, there’s nothing he’s ever done for the sake of others. So if you don’t hate him you are either a maga or completely uninformed about the world.

        Not to mention that every single usonian “liberation” in the present history has ended… well… we should ask the “liberated” guys in their respective countries.

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          All I’m seeing in your reply is an American demanding that I participate in US domestic politics. No, fuck that. I don’t care, it has no bearing on US foreign policy.

          • I’m not even american mate. But, as every other person in this world, I’m being vigorously fucked by the child rapist politics, so yeah, I’m gonna have a strong opinion on him and it’s no gonna be positive.

            You must be really lucky if your country is not directly or indirectly affected by the orange cunt’s politics.

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      usonian shill

      Frank Lloyd Wright’s been dead for over half a century, buddy. Who’s shilling for him?

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    I don’t care which country you’re from or how much you hate your dictator, no one, and I mean no one in their right mind who loves their country, should ever accept any foreign force to interfere and tell the people what to do or how to live their lives…this shit about bringing democracy, peace or whatever the fuck they will label it, it’s and invasion for political and economical gain for the invadders, and it’s never ever about the people, it always have and always will be about power and control of resources…wake the fuck up