It is photoshopped. US americans don’t have guts to directly confront their government.
The flaw in your logic is ICE doesn’t have the guts to identify themselves or their vehicles.
Both. Both? Both.
Unrealistic. If someone stood in front of an ICE car like this they would immediately get shot.
She was weaponizing her body!
AI generated slop, ICE would not have stopped, ICE would have ran her over and told you to ignore your lying eyes. Though it certainly puts tank man in perspective, it wasn’t just tank man, it was those driving and commanding that tank who still had enough shame to stop and not trample them.
Do you actually know what happened at Tiananmen Square?
Tank man was the day after. The night before, they turned a massive student protest into a slurry that they pushed into the sewers. There was no shame.
You seem to think I’m trying to justify the Tiananmen Square when I’m just putting one particular incident in perspective to how ICE usually acts. Your gross oversimplifcations seem to want to act like whataboutism to how much worse the Tiananmen Square by portraying it into a caricature of “a massive student protest into a slurry that they pushed into the sewers”.
It got pretty bad, a lot worse than any particular ICE incident up to date, but in a lot of ways it was served to the people just like ICE is being served up. People in the US should really inform themselves better with nuance, because the nuance is that it’s far closer to how ICE is acting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre#Military_action
This is only a year into Trump’s second term and it’s already this bad. Just look at how long it took Hitler. I’m one of the people that follow several China youtubers, who supports how they can be an outlet for criticism that could not be made any other way in China, but I’ve gotta say, it has been revealing how much they are willing to ignore what is happening in the US and how illegal the operation against Venezuela was to the point that I now ask how much their bias is influencing them taking about outliers as if they were representative of the whole. The standard you compare against matters.
There were tanks that mowed down people in Tiananmen Square Massacre, but in the infamous particular photo that made Tank Man famous, it really does characterize the restraint of that particular commander and/or driver from their shame, specially because others in the same massacre didn’t. It’s used to illustrate what difference one instance of opposition can make, but it’s also inherently only possible because that tank chose not to make that guy an statistic. The thing is, you are much more likely to get someone in the military to doubt themselves when facing its from an army that made up of the general geographic group of your peers than you are from one specially made to include the most racist, narcissistic, and power-tripping members of it. That’s why soldiers get a lot of the post traumatic stress disorder than some of these assholes never will (and neither do I think Jonathan Ross was suffering from it).
You seem to think I’m trying to justify the Tiananmen Square
I did no such thing. I was just pointing out that the “restraint” by the tank drivers the following day is not at all representative of the actual massacre
Do you actually know what happened at Tiananmen Square?
Have you seen the full video? Tank man climbs on top of the tank to yell at the commander
I like that the AI gave the soccer Mom both a soccer ball as well as a soccer purse. Bravo.
I assumed it was a second bag.
I miss the days of a skillful photo edit
I’d even take crappy photo edits over this.
It used to take effort to make shitposts
I think it was 🤏 this close to making the (extremely decorative and numerous) street lights into soccer balls.
Brave women
Hm, those don’t look like nackered old jalopies covered in racist stickers…
litteraly happened in iran and nobody cared, but you need ia to fantazize your own fake martyr
nobody cared
Trump Threatens Iran Intervention. History Shows When Foreign Support Works
Somebody clearly cares
Iran doesn’t claim to be the most noble democracy on earth 😂
but american claim their country is worse than iran. Really funny how the mindless need his im a victim juice while litteraly living in the richest place in the riches time of humankind.
american claim their country is worse than iran
The worst country in the world is the one that is oppressing me, personally.
ok you dont even pretend to be objective. how opress are you ?
What good does a handful of billionaires’ wealth do the poor in the US?
yeah looking at the obesity rate that s sure it s no yemen nor africa. Dont start with the im not privileged for living in usa. You are.
I’m not living there, don’t assume things. And why do you think obesity means wealth? The trash food that makes their people fat and unhealthy is very much an expression of poverty. The wealthy there east healthy food.
a por person in the usa is still richer than a majority of the world. You express it how you want but that s a literal fact.
All of the ICE vehicles I’ve seen are unmarked, with non-uniformed masked men jumping out of them and attacking people or their vehicles. Maybe 10 years ago, a Florida Man shot a black kid for wearing a hoodie, and got off on “stand your ground laws”. Apparentlly, MAGA thinks “if they could be ICE, give them all your money and vehicles” or you, as domestic terrorist scum, deserve to get killed.
I made this same comparison a few days ago and got down voted to hell for it. Glad I’m not the only one that sees it
I trust a Chinese tank driver more not to drive me over than an ICE agent.
Historically speaking, a safe bet
Eye witness account plus video
Pretty famously, he climbed directly up on the tank and chewed out the driver, then got back down and continued to block the tank. Others in the crowd pulled him away back down the street. The tank didn’t try to run him over, he was never reported captured, and as far as we’re aware he’s alive to this day.
Imagine an American climbing onto the hood of an ICE van or stubbornly maneuvering in front of a vehicle.
I’m old enough to remember the footage being on live and the hope that this action brought to the world.
Sadly a few weeks later tanks rolled over everything on Tianmen Square flattening bikes and human bodies alike.
ICE is shit and everybody involved needs to rot in jail but so far they have not flattened anything with a tank. Given the chance they no doubt will murder people at the scale it happened on Tianmen Square.
Comparing wannabe mass murderers (ICE) to accomplished mass murderers (CCP) doesn’t really help painting the wannabes as bad as they are.
Theres no images of human bodies crushed by tanks in tiananmen square. Theres some who were shot on their bikes, in the surrounding streets, probably by police.
Depends. At 4am you don’t want to be under tank treads.
After the local troops refused to murder civilians they brought in different troops that were perfectly ok with a little mass murder.
The fact that I trust a Chinese tank driver “more”, doesn’t mean I trust a Chinese tank driver.
It would have been better formed if I said “I distrust a Chinese tank driver less than an ICE agent-”
No, the premise is stupid. Like sticking your left hand in a jar of deadly scorpion s and your right hand in a jar of deadly centipede and stating you like the stinging in your left hand better.
I’m old enough to remember the footage being on live and the hope that this action brought to the world.
Sadly a few weeks later tanks rolled over everything on Tianmen Square flattening bikes and human bodies alike.
ICE is shit and everybody involved needs to rot in jail but so far they have not flattened anything with a tank. Given the chance they no doubt will murder people at the scale it happened on Tianmen Square.
Comparing wannabe mass murderers (ICE) to accomplished mass murderers (CCP) doesn’t really help painting the wannabes as bad as they are.
But you know what? I’m just going to join the majority of people that have already set this tankie instance on block. so you and your tankie friends, most of whom are some quarter-assed LLM bot anyway, can knock yourselves out in your little tankie echo chamber. Cheers
This is the most pretentious, my-shit-doesn’t-stink reply I’ve seen outside of an .ml instance lol
Touch grass.
What are you on about, there have been many instances where ICE drove over people. They have shot people.
There hasn’t been a Tiananman square like massacre, but the Chinese were military forced to to slaughter countrymen or be shot themselves. They made the wrong choice, killing civilians. ICE is people willingly joining to do unlawful things to innocent civilians, SS style. Murder, concentration camps, torture, starvation, etc.
The one is someone with a gun to their head, making the wrong choice. The other is making the wrong choice to willingly be the fucking gun.
No. The Tianmen Square video is of tank man who made a tank stop instead of running him over. The protests were over a previous (1-3 nights before) protest or, according to Chinese Government, riot where protesters were killed. Deaths did not happen after tankman.
I wouldn’t trust a single ICE or DHS agent to do the right thing in this situation. We have proof of at least one Chinese tank crew doing so.
How do you define “better”?
Is your context window 1 token?
No no. As a tankie - I support you. Fuck ice. Tankies are internationaliststs, not one country above all ists.
Tankies traditionally supported the USSR above all other Warsaw pact countries.
This dude thinks Ukraine “was asking for it”
Yes they 100 percent deserve what is happening.
Who? This isn’t happening to the fascists in control of Ukraine, most of the randos who got conscripted by force and are now getting got by drones and missiles while trying to hide in a swamp are just normal ass people who didn’t ask for this.
Whatever your beliefs are, we should all agree that nobody deserves to suffer. Even people who have done terrible things, I wish for them to be swiftly and mercifully removed from power or brought to justice with minimal suffering.
Most people in Ukraine are just powerless nobodies going about their lives. They don’t deserve to be subjected to a war. They have no real choice in how that war is waged, or if it is at all.
If anyone deserves comeuppance, it’s the ruling class who actually choose to let these events play out.
Those in control of the USA are internationalists, too.
They don’t care who “wins”, they profit off of the war itself (and the rebuild for that matter).
They love tankies
They don’t care who “wins”, they profit off of the war itself
People kept telling me that the Taliban won the war in Afghanistan but I kept telling them the US Military Industrial complex won.
They don’t care who “wins”, they profit off of the war itself (and the rebuild for that matter).
Then why would they love tankies, some of the only people who consistently oppose them building and using tanks?
Tankies are “authoritarian communists”, they are not pro peace in any way, they love tanks.
(standard definition, not familiar with the tankies that you describe)
Bedtimes are authoritarian, your parents are dictators
My parents are dead! (runs out of room crying, slams door)
did they head out on a guilt trip and never come back
One day you’ll be an adult and you can set your own bedtime. Now who wants to go out for Ice Cream 🍨?
Really? Because I’m always calling for staying out of conflicts and dramatically reducing the military budget and people are constantly calling me a tankie because of those stances.
See, if you don’t want war, it means you support the other side, and however bad “our” side is, the other side is always worse and more aggressive (the media says so, after all) and that means that anyone who’s pro-peace is actually pro-war, freedom is slavery, etc.
So it was when I said we shouldn’t invade Iraq and Afghanistan, it meant that I was “a terrorist sympathizer” and “pro-Al Qaida,” and when I say we should stay out of Palestine, people say I’m “pro-Hamas” and when I say we should stay out of Ukraine people say I’m “pro-Russia” and a “tankie,” and if I don’t think the US has the right to kidnap heads of state I’m “supporting dictators.” Consistently advocating against the use of tanks is essentially the defining characteristic of a “tankie.”
You sound much more of an isolationist than a tankie. Lol.
Isolationists would want to stay out of Ukraine to mind our own business, this guy wants to stay out of Ukraine because .ml is notorious for giving modern day Russia a free pass with their Imperial nonsense.
Case in point: Anyone who wants to stay out of conflicts automatically supports Russia. My actual reasons and motivations are totally irrelevant. Thank you for proving my point.
The word “isolationist” doesn’t exist in the vocabularies of most people around here. It doesn’t really matter why I disagree with US military interventions, the fact that I do means that I will inevitably be labelled tankie or a Russian bot. So you might as well ignore it, or love the word instead, cause you ain’t done nothing if you ain’t been called a Red.
Besides, I’m not wholly an isolationist. I have no problem with trade or foreign aid, so long as it isn’t military aid. More accurately, I’m a dove. But “dove” doesn’t exactly work as an insult. Some liberals even like to imagine that they’re doves, unbelievably.
But again, liberals don’t recognize that perspectives like “doves” or “isolationists” exist. You either follow the narrative of the media and politicians, or you get thrown into this big lump of Bad People™ with zero distinctions regarding why you disagree with them.
War makes money
But tankies oppose nearly all wars.
Tankies seek to use state violence to coerce and terrorize the working class into unquestioning obedience to the state. Sometimes that violence is directed at the working class in other states so it’s hard to argue they oppose war.
You’re thinking of liberals.
Ok, fine, Tankies are a variant (ostensibly) of communists that seek to use state violence to coerce and terrorize the working class into unquestioning obedience to the state.
Do you know what tanks are for?
Yes, that’s why “tankies” are generally opposed to building and deploying tanks, moreso than just about any ideology short of pacifism. Certainly moreso than liberals are.
You don’t even know the origin of the word “tankie”.
can’t have war if everyone surrenders too soon.
Exactly.
There’s only one war worth fighting and that’s the class war. Everything else is just throwing lives away for nothing.
not one country above all ists.
except China*
anti-whataboutism
I don’t care at all of this is im14andthisisdeep. I love it
im21andthisissoooooodeep
im40andthishascomplexlayersyouwouldntgetmaaaaan
Imonly36butimstartingtounderstandthecomplexityofthismatter
In b4 Tallahassee Square
So according to the tankie narrative, what this woman is really doing is telling them to go back and do their jobs
Anything’s possible when you make shit up
