Accelerationism is the intellectual equivalent of pissing your pants to stay warm: comforting optimism at first, but then the frostbite hits you in the dick.
The death of the US Empire isn’t “accelerationism,” it’s an understanding that the number one obstacle to socialism globally is the US Empire, and with it out of the way socialist countries are under far less pressure from the outside. Ideally an indigenous led, decolonial socialist state takes the place of the former US Empire, but a strong and healthy empire isn’t going to get there. That’s why its decay is necessary for both Statesians and the international proletariat.
You are off your rocker if you think whatever comes next will be indigenous led lol. Not that I would be opposed to it. The scary thing is though, what does come next? If it’s socialism great, but what if it’s fascism
It’s important to recognize that the primary contradiction within the US Empire is settler-colonialism. The ones most oppressed by the current society are generally the ones most quickly adaptive to theory and practice, and this isn’t because oppressed people are “morally superior” but out of sheer survival. It’s also why there are so many queer communists. Without combatting settler-colonialism, anything that takes the place of the US Empire will fundamentally replicate that and would be closer to barbarism.
The US Empire is already fascist, fascism isn’t a separate mode of production but instead capitalism in decay.
Well, I wouldn’t really say it’s fascist quite yet (maybe I’m ignorant) but it’s well on the way. My point is it could get a lot worse before it gets better
One of the key characteristics of fascism is autocracy. You could argue that applies today but certainly not for decades. Regardless of if, from your perspective, neither party aligns with your goals and are far right by that standard, they are still working against each other.
Answer this because I’m curious of your perspective. Is Russia fascist, and if not why not? From what I have been exposed to (which certainly is biased admittedly) Russia is at least as far on the fascism scale as the US, they have a lot of similarities in my mind, but nobody on here will say that, but then turn around and label the US fascist.
If you think it wasn’t fascist over a century at least and point at anything “politics” then I am pointing at your finger.
That’s a circus; a show.
Look at the Banks. That’s politics. Watch it stringing the hands of workers a families. Sure their politics are in an Arch of characterization oration but they’re not even trying to force make anyone do anything.
Look at the Money. They’re puppetstrings fluxxing like Marty never fixed the Cubs mistake when it turned out that whole shenanigan was done like an inbelievably candid rigged card game, so named and trapped all attention from seeing the hot ounce balloon inflated for show. Pop the bubble. It was made to be see happening so we not get the trick dropped in 'Nam and settle for watching this cheeky shown name deflating like a doll.
Both your political parties regularly vote to continue funding ICE, DHS and the NSA. Even as recently as a few days ago. They are both pro-militarisation of the police. They both support the prison industrial complex. They both support US actions in Venezuela. And the fact you can’t make political protests in the US without the risk of being shot or imprisoned nowadays should tell you that you are already living in a fascist state. It’s a fantasy to think that, even if the Dems somehow get this administration out of office, they will fundamentally change any of those things. At least now the mask is off and you know what you are up against. The problem with libs is that they think everything would be a-ok so long as their fascist was in charge.
There are some abominable democrats, but there are some good ones too. Your statements are simply not true for a solid portion of democrats. It is a fantasy to think things would be much better if the Dems get this admin out though, I agree. And to get anything done there is pandering required with the other leading party, which I think stops the Democrats from becoming as leftist as many would want to. So yeah, progress is hard. It seems to me that the political perspective of Americans across the board needs to shift left before much change can be had, so that the Democrats are true leftists and the Republicans are less far right
There are some abominable democrats, but there are some good ones too.
I totally agree that’s true. Most Dems on lemmy are far to the left of their own party on most issues. But unfortunately, the party leadership is way to the right on most issues, and they are the ones in positions of power and influence.
It seems to me that the political perspective of Americans across the board needs to shift left before much change can be had, so that the Democrats are true leftists and the Republicans are less far right
This isn’t how it actually works, though. The Dems and Reps aren’t very representative of the Statesian public, but instead its capitalists. The US is a capitalist state, it’s a dictatorship of capital, and both allowed parties represent capital only. This is shown by the low voting rates in the US Empire, the DNC and GOP cannot move left, only working class orgs can represent the working class.
No they aren’t you are right. But Dem and rep interests have changed significantly over their existence, so it’s not like their platform changing is totally impossible. Also, there are plenty more than one allowed party, they don’t normally get much traction though. Is it not natural in a system that allows multiple parties, for the voter base to generally fall into a few large groups?
“native Americans are more likely to like communism” isn’t exactly a solid foundation for establishing “an indigenous led, decolonial socialist state [that] takes the place of the former US Empire,”
It is highly unlikely that if the us government collapses everyone’s going to be like “whelp let’s let the communist indigenous people lead may as well, even though they don’t have the numbers, arms, food or production to run anything”
Sure in an idealistic sense it would be cool to go full Ferngully/dances with wolves/Avatar/noble savage cliche but if we’re going to dream that big I’d like an infinite pizza shooting unicorn.
You’re right, that isn’t a solid foundation. What is, is working class organization along correct lines of struggle, part of which is decolonization, as the US Empire’s primary contradiction is settler-colonialism.
Further, you’re right to say that if the US Empire collapsed now that it would result in barbarism. That’s the point of organizing, though, so that when the US Empire is in crisis, we can overthrow it and implement a new system.
None of this is based on ideals, but learning from historical struggles for socialism.
Idk mate, you’re the one who brought up the idea of an indigenous socialist revolution and now you’re saying that ideal isn’t a solid foundation. I thought the point was to unite the working class as a whole, not put a generic category of race made by colonialism on a pedestal. “Indigenous” isn’t a single group of people who all think vaguely the same about communism, so I’m not sure why you thought it would be a good idea to say that’s the ideal situation.
It’s multi-faceted. Ignoring the settler-colonial nature of the US Empire ignores its primary contradiction, the forces at play in the given society, and why the US proletariat is against revolution right now. Any working class organization needs correct analysis of settler-colonialism to have success elsewhere. It’s similar to trying to have a TERF worker organization, by excluding marginalized comrades and taking incorrect lines, we damage the movement and lose some of our fiercest fighters, all while winding ourselves into reactionary contradictions and tailism.
I feel that, but when you say the ideal is an indigenous led movement, and case that on the assumption that indigenous people will be all on board, it doesn’t come off as multi faceted, especially when you say that’s the ideal outcome. Your ideal outcome is based off of an assumption based on race, while lumping many races and cultures together. That’s easy different from “we need to bring the various indigenous people to the table and try to rebuild in a way outside of colonialism”.
Accelerationism is a range of ideologies that call for the use of capitalism and associated processes to create radical social transformations.[1] Broadly, accelerationism engages with antihumanism[2][3] and posthumanism,[4] and seeks to accelerate desired tendencies within capitalism at the expense of negative ones, though variants differ greatly on which tendencies and if this will lead beyond capitalism or further into it.
Yep, nobody is advocating for making this worse here, but organizing as they necessarily are. We can also celebrate the decay in influence from the US Empire as it dies. Accelerationism is bad because it alienates people for no real benefit, but organizing consistently the entire way through does work.
Still not sure why you think communism is fascism, considering communism stands for collectivized production and distribution to satisfy the needs of everyone while fascism is capitalism in decay violently asserting the freedom of private property and forcing austerity on the public.
Socialist countries and fascist ones have, consequentially, had enormously different results, where socialist countries were marked with dramatic improvements in life expectancy, literacy rates, housing rates, healthcare, education, employment, and more, fascist states have delivered enormous profits to a tiny subsection of society and dramatically lowered these key metrics.
Not really sure what your goal is, here, if it’s to discredit me then you actually need to put in the legwork to do so. Otherwise it’ll backfire.
What do you mean by “human nature” that prevents socialism globally? I’m talking about the real world, where tendencies towards centralization, globalization, and monopolization prepare the groundwork for a collectivized and planned economy, just like what Marx initially observed back in the 1800s in early form.
There’s no ChatGPT involved, and I’d appreciate you dropping the condescension. People’s way of thinking is determined by their lived experience, how they work and how they get what they need. As it becomes harder and harder for that to happen, at the same time we are already building up incredibly complex systems of production and distribution.
What remains is for working class organization, revolution, and nationalizing the large firms and key industries, finance, etc in any given country. Other countries have already done this before, it isn’t impossible, and people become increasingly motivated to do so and it becomes increasingly feasible as disparity increases.
It’s absolutely practical, actionable, and realistic, though. If you live in the US, you can join the PSL, as an example, and work towards this goal. Which part in particular do you think isn’t actionable or practical?
The meme isn’t arguing for accelerationism. It’s just observing that the US in it’s current incarnation as a fascist state needs to be fought and defeated before anything can get better.
Accelerationism is a range of ideologies that call for the use of capitalism and associated processes to create radical social transformations.[1] Broadly, accelerationism engages with antihumanism[2][3] and posthumanism,[4] and seeks to accelerate desired tendencies within capitalism at the expense of negative ones, though variants differ greatly on which tendencies and if this will lead beyond capitalism or further into it.
Accelerationism is the intellectual equivalent of pissing your pants to stay warm: comforting optimism at first, but then the frostbite hits you in the dick.
The death of the US Empire isn’t “accelerationism,” it’s an understanding that the number one obstacle to socialism globally is the US Empire, and with it out of the way socialist countries are under far less pressure from the outside. Ideally an indigenous led, decolonial socialist state takes the place of the former US Empire, but a strong and healthy empire isn’t going to get there. That’s why its decay is necessary for both Statesians and the international proletariat.
You are off your rocker if you think whatever comes next will be indigenous led lol. Not that I would be opposed to it. The scary thing is though, what does come next? If it’s socialism great, but what if it’s fascism
It’s important to recognize that the primary contradiction within the US Empire is settler-colonialism. The ones most oppressed by the current society are generally the ones most quickly adaptive to theory and practice, and this isn’t because oppressed people are “morally superior” but out of sheer survival. It’s also why there are so many queer communists. Without combatting settler-colonialism, anything that takes the place of the US Empire will fundamentally replicate that and would be closer to barbarism.
The US Empire is already fascist, fascism isn’t a separate mode of production but instead capitalism in decay.
Well, I wouldn’t really say it’s fascist quite yet (maybe I’m ignorant) but it’s well on the way. My point is it could get a lot worse before it gets better
It’s been fascist for decades. Fascism doesn’t become official only when it happens to white people almost as much as the rest of us.
One of the key characteristics of fascism is autocracy. You could argue that applies today but certainly not for decades. Regardless of if, from your perspective, neither party aligns with your goals and are far right by that standard, they are still working against each other.
Answer this because I’m curious of your perspective. Is Russia fascist, and if not why not? From what I have been exposed to (which certainly is biased admittedly) Russia is at least as far on the fascism scale as the US, they have a lot of similarities in my mind, but nobody on here will say that, but then turn around and label the US fascist.
If you think it wasn’t fascist over a century at least and point at anything “politics” then I am pointing at your finger.
That’s a circus; a show.
Look at the Banks. That’s politics. Watch it stringing the hands of workers a families. Sure their politics are in an Arch of characterization oration but they’re not even trying to force make anyone do anything.
Look at the Money. They’re puppetstrings fluxxing like Marty never fixed the Cubs mistake when it turned out that whole shenanigan was done like an inbelievably candid rigged card game, so named and trapped all attention from seeing the hot ounce balloon inflated for show. Pop the bubble. It was made to be see happening so we not get the trick dropped in 'Nam and settle for watching this cheeky shown name deflating like a doll.
Both your political parties regularly vote to continue funding ICE, DHS and the NSA. Even as recently as a few days ago. They are both pro-militarisation of the police. They both support the prison industrial complex. They both support US actions in Venezuela. And the fact you can’t make political protests in the US without the risk of being shot or imprisoned nowadays should tell you that you are already living in a fascist state. It’s a fantasy to think that, even if the Dems somehow get this administration out of office, they will fundamentally change any of those things. At least now the mask is off and you know what you are up against. The problem with libs is that they think everything would be a-ok so long as their fascist was in charge.
There are some abominable democrats, but there are some good ones too. Your statements are simply not true for a solid portion of democrats. It is a fantasy to think things would be much better if the Dems get this admin out though, I agree. And to get anything done there is pandering required with the other leading party, which I think stops the Democrats from becoming as leftist as many would want to. So yeah, progress is hard. It seems to me that the political perspective of Americans across the board needs to shift left before much change can be had, so that the Democrats are true leftists and the Republicans are less far right
I totally agree that’s true. Most Dems on lemmy are far to the left of their own party on most issues. But unfortunately, the party leadership is way to the right on most issues, and they are the ones in positions of power and influence.
This isn’t how it actually works, though. The Dems and Reps aren’t very representative of the Statesian public, but instead its capitalists. The US is a capitalist state, it’s a dictatorship of capital, and both allowed parties represent capital only. This is shown by the low voting rates in the US Empire, the DNC and GOP cannot move left, only working class orgs can represent the working class.
No they aren’t you are right. But Dem and rep interests have changed significantly over their existence, so it’s not like their platform changing is totally impossible. Also, there are plenty more than one allowed party, they don’t normally get much traction though. Is it not natural in a system that allows multiple parties, for the voter base to generally fall into a few large groups?
Fascism and liberalism don’t have hard lines distinguishing them, they each contain elements of the other.
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“native Americans are more likely to like communism” isn’t exactly a solid foundation for establishing “an indigenous led, decolonial socialist state [that] takes the place of the former US Empire,”
It is highly unlikely that if the us government collapses everyone’s going to be like “whelp let’s let the communist indigenous people lead may as well, even though they don’t have the numbers, arms, food or production to run anything”
Sure in an idealistic sense it would be cool to go full Ferngully/dances with wolves/Avatar/noble savage cliche but if we’re going to dream that big I’d like an infinite pizza shooting unicorn.
You’re right, that isn’t a solid foundation. What is, is working class organization along correct lines of struggle, part of which is decolonization, as the US Empire’s primary contradiction is settler-colonialism.
Further, you’re right to say that if the US Empire collapsed now that it would result in barbarism. That’s the point of organizing, though, so that when the US Empire is in crisis, we can overthrow it and implement a new system.
None of this is based on ideals, but learning from historical struggles for socialism.
Idk mate, you’re the one who brought up the idea of an indigenous socialist revolution and now you’re saying that ideal isn’t a solid foundation. I thought the point was to unite the working class as a whole, not put a generic category of race made by colonialism on a pedestal. “Indigenous” isn’t a single group of people who all think vaguely the same about communism, so I’m not sure why you thought it would be a good idea to say that’s the ideal situation.
It’s multi-faceted. Ignoring the settler-colonial nature of the US Empire ignores its primary contradiction, the forces at play in the given society, and why the US proletariat is against revolution right now. Any working class organization needs correct analysis of settler-colonialism to have success elsewhere. It’s similar to trying to have a TERF worker organization, by excluding marginalized comrades and taking incorrect lines, we damage the movement and lose some of our fiercest fighters, all while winding ourselves into reactionary contradictions and tailism.
I feel that, but when you say the ideal is an indigenous led movement, and case that on the assumption that indigenous people will be all on board, it doesn’t come off as multi faceted, especially when you say that’s the ideal outcome. Your ideal outcome is based off of an assumption based on race, while lumping many races and cultures together. That’s easy different from “we need to bring the various indigenous people to the table and try to rebuild in a way outside of colonialism”.
Are these socialist countries in the room with us right now?
Socialist countries do exist. I’m not sure what you’re trying to say here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism
Yep, nobody is advocating for making this worse here, but organizing as they necessarily are. We can also celebrate the decay in influence from the US Empire as it dies. Accelerationism is bad because it alienates people for no real benefit, but organizing consistently the entire way through does work.
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Still not sure why you think communism is fascism, considering communism stands for collectivized production and distribution to satisfy the needs of everyone while fascism is capitalism in decay violently asserting the freedom of private property and forcing austerity on the public.
Socialist countries and fascist ones have, consequentially, had enormously different results, where socialist countries were marked with dramatic improvements in life expectancy, literacy rates, housing rates, healthcare, education, employment, and more, fascist states have delivered enormous profits to a tiny subsection of society and dramatically lowered these key metrics.
Not really sure what your goal is, here, if it’s to discredit me then you actually need to put in the legwork to do so. Otherwise it’ll backfire.
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What do you mean by “human nature” that prevents socialism globally? I’m talking about the real world, where tendencies towards centralization, globalization, and monopolization prepare the groundwork for a collectivized and planned economy, just like what Marx initially observed back in the 1800s in early form.
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There’s no ChatGPT involved, and I’d appreciate you dropping the condescension. People’s way of thinking is determined by their lived experience, how they work and how they get what they need. As it becomes harder and harder for that to happen, at the same time we are already building up incredibly complex systems of production and distribution.
What remains is for working class organization, revolution, and nationalizing the large firms and key industries, finance, etc in any given country. Other countries have already done this before, it isn’t impossible, and people become increasingly motivated to do so and it becomes increasingly feasible as disparity increases.
The Party for Socialism and Liberation has a Party Program you can read for a US-based approach.
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It’s absolutely practical, actionable, and realistic, though. If you live in the US, you can join the PSL, as an example, and work towards this goal. Which part in particular do you think isn’t actionable or practical?
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The meme isn’t arguing for accelerationism. It’s just observing that the US in it’s current incarnation as a fascist state needs to be fought and defeated before anything can get better.
The meme is about accelerationism.
Please learn about the things you pretend to be an authority on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism
So the person who is happy about America failing - the one with the hammer and sickle - is a capitalist?
I think there are a lot of people who call themselves communists here confusing accelerationism with left wing ideologies.
Reminder:
And I think you’re confusing being happy someone is dying with trying to kill them.
Not everyone is American here though
where accelerationists?
I’m starting to doubt that term ever had any salience or useful definition
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Lol
if this were my instance I would ban people for reddit comments
You would achieve communism in one Lemmy instance for the few dozen remaining users.
I really don’t understand why a lot of people left reddit only to try to re-create all the worst parts, lol.
Please remember to engage in a manner congruent with this community’s spirit of socialist unity