“In China, driverless delivery vans have become a total meme, they plow through crumbling roads, fresh concrete, motorcycles, anything. Nothing stops them.”

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    one of the funniest things I’ve seen on the road was a big ass truck that had a sticker that said “attention! eggs on board”. i cry lauged so hard. like dude you be careful with it, why are you giving me responsibility

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    1 day ago

    Automated cargo delivery is going to bring a new era of piracy. When you can easily trick the vehicle and there are no people in it, it becomes much more tempting to just knock it over and steal what’s inside.

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      In China they have your face details and your phone location. Even if they don’t have that data, there are hidden cameras everywhere following you home.

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          Isn’t facial recognizition still possible when the face is partly masked? Also, what if they have camera’s right about everywhere, where do you put on the mask without being identified? Or what if they track your phones location? Don’t know how far chinese mass surveillance currently goes, but these seem like real possibilities in the near-future. I am very afraid that modern technology will make resistance to totalitarianism impossible.

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            I’m certain it’s possible to obscure your face beyond the ability of any machine to recognize it. At that point your enemy is gait analysis, but there are countermeasures for that as well. As for utterly pervasive surveillance that is so redundant and automated that the government can know anything about anyone, anywhere, retroactively…. I don’t know if we are there yet. I’m not going to spend too much energy worrying about the prospects of Chinese pirates.

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      The US has the NHTSA (at least, for now), which doesn’t stand for shenanigans like this. And the two market leaders in autonomous vehicles (Waymo, Zoox) actually take safety seriously, unlike others (Tesla, RIP Cruise).

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          They didn’t kill the woman, just ran her over and dragged her twenty feet, a mercifully short distance given that the vehicle never detected her and was already about to pull over.

          What really did them in was all the lying they did about it.

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          15 hours ago

          We already accept 3,400 deaths per day from human drivers.

          If autonomous vehicles were to cause one death ever, would they still not be worth pursuing?

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            I never said that, nor implied it. I certainly personally think it’s worth pursuit. I was pointing out Waymo was being given a bit of a pass there, and want to remind folks that profit incidentive that ignores or downplays human risk is not at all appealing and shouldn’t be given a free pass.

            If Waymo can drive and “only” kills 1% of the equivalent per human miles driven, it’s certainly better right? But given that it’s a machine with a company that has a profit motive behind it, it’s goals need to be lofty. Why not set the bar at zero human deaths as a goal post and work from there? As soon as you say a single death is acceptable, it changes how everyone approaches it and turns into “well, is a second death acceptable?” and that’s going to quickly devolve into “what is an acceptable level of death for our profit margin.” To be clear, I’m arguing the answer should always be NONE. The alternative is a slippery slope, so I don’t want to give anyone a pass.

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              The goal is zero, at least stated by some of their competitors. People are just getting bent out of shape when faced with the reality that, inevitably, it’ll happen. Due to people being dumb and panicky and terwsistant to change, every implementation needs to demonstrate orders of magnitude more safety than human drivers in order to gain acceptance. This is why rogue companies like Tesla, and compilations of trash like this post, are making the industry look bad.

              • massacre@lemmy.world
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                That’s most definitely not what’s going on here with me personally. I’m not bent out of shape about autonomous driving and demonstrated that largely it’s competent and better than most human drivers already. It’s already happening. But I appreciate the dumb and panicky shot across the bow. Then the chef’s kiss of “trash like this post” claiming I am making the industry look bad. No, please take a look at Waymo leadership. THEY are making the industry look bad. I’m not even against Waymo! They are actually doing heaps better than most and seem viable as a company. Please remember that challenging people to do better doesn’t mean you’re against them on the whole. Not everyone is 100% against you because they call out one aspect of a post either.

                • SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world
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                  Why are you are taking all of my replies to be personal attacks? And how are you thinking that you’re the OP?

      • Monument@lemmy.sdf.org
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        Well, it’s likely the DOGE cuts haven’t shown their impact just yet.

        Of roughly 30 National Highway Traffic Safety Administration workers dismissed in February as part of Musk’s campaign to shrink the federal workforce, many were in the “office of vehicle automation safety,” — Car safety experts at NHTSA, which regulates Tesla, axed by DOGE

        Personally, I’m sort of hoping for the same karma as when Elaine Chao was secretary of transportation and let Tesla roll out an untested and confusing shifting system, which later helped kill her sister.

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        The nearest person with skin anything darker than ‘never had a tan’, as is custom (or more recently, anyone not cisgendered, heterosexual, and male)

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      US streets aren’t always great but what’s up with all these open trenches right in the middle of the roads in this video??

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        The first clip is clearly not somewhere cars should be. The other two… Trenches? Are construction areas clearly. I’m not sure what you mean?

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          In the first clip there is a tuktuk in the foreground and a passenger car in the background so I don’t know how you got to “clearly somewhere cars should not be.

          In clip 4 there’s some pavement but it falls away into a large hole that has filled with water… call it what you will. “Trench” is one word for it.

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            10 hours ago

            Clip 1 is very clearly a plaza and pedestrian area, hence the large curb, the cars In the background are in a carpark.

            Clip 4 is clearly construction, and it isn’t water, it is wet concrete.

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    23 hours ago

    The “vehicle stuck under a big truck” thing happens with human drivers, too. If it’s in the driver’s blind spot, it’s gonna be there a while.

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      Yeah, you’d hear that scraping. I imagine sound is not used for the vehicle to determine if it should stop or not.

      Screaming “STOOOOOOOP” while you’re hanging under a truck will make most drivers stop. Not so much for AI, though

      A person hitting me will (usually) stop the car and help me. From what I’m seeing here, of these AI trucks hit you, you’re just fucked

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        Trucks are loud, and if they don’t hear scraping, they’re not going to hear shouting.

        To be clear, I’m not trying to defend bad autonomous vehicles here - just pointing out that the dangers exist with any large vehicle. This is something that happens with trucks, so people should be aware.

        *Since you don’t seem to believe it’s possible, here’s a news report of an incident from 2017: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q22sQndSjEA

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    These things look pretty top heavy, are they easy to tip over or would it be easier to fuck with the wheels to disable them?