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MattW03@lemmy.ca to Funny@sh.itjust.worksEnglish · 17 hours ago

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MattW03@lemmy.ca to Funny@sh.itjust.worksEnglish · 17 hours ago
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  • Montagge@lemmy.zip
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    17 hours ago

    Why do my taxes keep going up to fix the roads? I guess we’ll never know.

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      16 hours ago

      probably because they do it wrong

      studded tires are a legal requirement here in some parts of the country and the roads are no worse for it

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        https://rosap.ntl.bts.gov/view/dot/42626/dot_42626_DS1.pdf

        https://www.oregon.gov/ODOT/Programs/ResearchDocuments/SPR304-671_StuddedTires_FINAL.pdf

        https://wsdot.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2021-10/Studded-Tire-Damage-To-Asphalt.pdf

        And yet study after study shows millions of dollars of damage.

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          Sorry, but American statistics aren’t fully relevant to their comment. Sweden has much more rigorous laws and controls regarding tires, and a particular difference is also rules regarding the stud length and depth.

          Yes, our studded tires still damage the roads a bit more than “normal” tires, but it’s not an astronomical difference. The lifesaving and healthcare costs associated with studded tires weighs significantly higher. Your life is considered much more expendable in the US as well, so of course they say you shouldn’t use studded tires on ice… whereas our government research institute says you absolutely should.

          I also assume the US uses really cheap asfalt or something? Or because of higher speed limits? Worse driving styles: intensive speed changes instead of calm tempo driving? Despite like 65% of cars using studded tires here, I’ve seen less road work here in my entire life than during a single year in the US. Dunno.

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            13 hours ago

            If you’ve got hate in your heart let it out

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              Huh? I’m confused, where exactly was I hateful?

              Disappointed, perhaps? Especially considering that the only two accidents I’ve been in during my entire life have been idiots with “ice and snow” (non-studded) tyres ice-skating into the back of my car.

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          here the main takeaway from studies is that the fewer cars have studded tires, the smoother the road surface becomes, which increases the amount of accidents in bad weather. if less than 50% of cars use studded tires the roads become too smooth in winter.

          https://www.tidningendacksnack.se/teknik/e/1272/dubbdackens-roll-och-paverkan-en-balansgang-mellan-sakerhet-och-miljo/

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          16 hours ago

          Is there any difference if people use tire chains instead of studded tires?

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            chains are worse for the road and can also come loose at high speed. they’re for getting unstuck, not for general driving.

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      16 hours ago

      Because they are spending it on roads, not public transit.

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