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“Communism is worker council power plus the electrification of the whole country”
-Vladimir Lenin
Hydroelectric power as a premise to industrialization was one of the core pillars of Soviet socialism, you are 100 years late. Also, 93% of solar photovoltaic modules are manufactured in the People’s Republic of China.
And I would have gotten away with it if it wasnt for you meddling commies! Good work comrade
Well, energy has always been important policy, and I happen to be a STEM edgelord who knows his stuff
Well, solar panels are the (a) means of energy production, so in that sense I don’t see where any communist theorists would disagree. But please draw me the line from everyone having solar panels to “revolution” without any other Marxist theory.
- the people set up local solar collection grids
- the state gets mad as the state ultimately represents the interests of the petrochemical industry (the state is almost universally a petrostate)
- the state implements a system of taxes and subsidies to reduce the economic efficacy of solar panels
- when enough people maintain their solar panels, the state resorts to its usual mechanism for enforcement: violence
- the people, confronted with the violence of the state must either submit to the power of the state or respond to the violence of the state with violence of their own
idk if i succeeded or failed
I’m not sure what to make of your assertion of the state as universally a petrostate. And you haven’t touched on the means of solar panel production, let alone any other necessities or commodities (just a mention of maintenance).
This is like when a kid camps out in the back yard to ‘run away from home’.
Solarpunk, let‘s go!
What? We have commie leaders? Who? Where?
Oh I mean like Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, etc. The list is long and contentious. Take your pick, theres no wrong answers for my purposes here.
Edit: let’s play a fun game, reply with who i left out. I bet I left your favorite out.
Grail?
New entry, points to you for naming yourself
Thank you. Feel free to read My manifesto if you want to see how the next generation of communist thought differs from the previous
Kropotkin!
New entry! That’s 1 point to nylo
Lenin, Stalin, Mao I get. Marx? Lenin Stalin and Mao like to use his name while rejecting his philosophy. So it seems odd to lump him with them. But then I suppose it’s been a common thing in many western countries forever.
Can you elaborate on how Marxist-Leninists “use Marx’s name while rejecting his philosophy?” Lenin’s major advances on Marxism include analyzing imperialism as a higher stage of capitalism, something Marx lived to see only the very beginnings of, as well as organizational theory. Lenin represented a return to Marx, considering the Second International had at that point vulgarized Marx into a reformist. What part of Marxism does Marxism-Leninism reject? You specifically mention philosophy, but Marxism-Leninism affirms dialectical materialism, so I assume you mean something else.
Further, Marxism-Leninism is largely an ideology practiced in the global south, not so much the global north. Perhaps I’m misreading you, but you make it seem as though it’s largely western, and that this is why it “rejects” Marx. More common in the west are Trotskyists, who still uphold Lenin, or Eurocomms, who also uphold Lenin. The number of Marxists that reject Lenin, even if they disagree with AES countries, is extremely small, period, global north or south.
Hey dude I just have to say that even though I’m more sympathetic to anarchosynicalist thought one of the high points of lemmy for me atm is popping into threads and seeing you (extremely charitably) demolish people who clearly haven’t ever engaged with much literature but have strong opinons on it.
Cheers, people like you help us all hone our thoughts.
Thanks, I appreciate it! I genuinely am not trying to demolish anyone, though, I’d prefer if people could cooperatively build knowledge together. The idea of “debate” is so thoroughly ingrained in English-speaking spaces, but it isn’t actually a very effective tool for learning, on either side. That’s more the reason I’m charitable, I’d rather not have a debate, to be honest, even if that’s what I used to do a lot of back in my more lib Reddit days.
Well there you go out charitableing me <3
Nah, you were charitable first!
Oh nice try but you did not add any new names to the list, no points to you
Heh fair enough
And I’ll tell you what used solar panels and inverters are cheap as shit on marketplace. Batteries are getting there too.
Man if I had a field it would be littered with cheap secondhand solar panels. Where I live I can maybe get a balcony one
Thats the stuff that gives me hope, keeps me going
Buying commodities is revolutionary
What’s not captured by the picture is that these panels are stolen from the mobile police cameras they roll around.
Dismantling the oil industry is revolutionary. And it will improve nearly every facet of life across the globe while be a goal that is achievable and happening right now.
Damn, critical support to Shell, Chevron, ExxonMobil, Tesla, Google and Apple then for promoting and sometimes manufacturing home solar solutions. Truly the most revolutionary of companies!
Woah that’s quite the jump. A very strange jump at that. Who said I liked any of those companies?
Look, I get that you’re quite young and probably still trying to understand how the world works, but your revolutionary idea is what these companies have more or less been pushing themselves. I could make a few walls of text for sure on why this is dumb, but just look up what greenwashing is, fossil fuel industry campaigns of advertising solar power and their solutions, and how the concept of individual action to bring about change is just garbage that has been actively spouted and weaponized by corporations (e.g. the anti-pollution craze where to solve climate change and widespread pollution crisis was to just “recycle more” and “drive cars less” while they kept polluting at industrial scale).
Oh… your seriously like that? Um, good luck out there. Hope things get better for you! In the mean time, im going to be pushing for developing countries to skip over the step where the are ever dependant upon fossil fuels to improve their standard of living. That way, oil super powers lose incredible amounts of influence over the globe, especially the most vulnerable peoples. (Side note: also reducing global temperature by transforming the sunlight into energy instead of heat) if hope is of interest to you, come along, id love to have you journey with me.
Don’t forget to thank China for all the effort they’ve put into this!
Yeah they done huge amounts of work getting solar onto its incredible learning curve
Well, good luck in your endeavors!
