Dude, I’m not a zionist. My comment clearly included critiques of the Israeli government, which a zionist wouldn’t have included. Unlike you, I’m actually capable of criticizing both hamas and the Israeli government. There’s not really a “good side” in this conflict, which is part of why it’s so complex and hard to solve. But there are innocent civilians on both sides.
This is precisely what I meant when I said that to some people, “anyone who doesn’t blow hamas is a genocide supporter.” Your response was to push me to mention what’s wrong with hamas, and then you act like I’m defending Israel because I say “rape and human shields are bad.”
Nothing has been debunked, there’s graphic evidence to the contrary. The “that’s been debunked” bullshit is pro-hamas propaganda.
And you literally said you support hamas unconditionally. Now you say “I didn’t say I don’t have criticisms of hamas, I do.” Do you know what unconditional means, or are you backtracking?
And if anything I said sounds to you like Israeli propaganda, it’s because I was pointing out to you the logical conclusions of the things you were saying. You claimed that pro-Palestinian and pro-hamas are the same thing. That’s literally Israeli propaganda. Israel defines every Palestinian civilian as a member of hamas, to try to justify their atrocities against civilians.
Apparently you misunderstood what I was saying, although I thought I was quite clear. I wasn’t saying “Israel is right, every Palestinian is hamas so it’s okay to target civilians.” I was saying “conflating pro-Palestinian with pro-hamas is Israeli propaganda, which you’re parroting, and if it were true then we would have to accept Israel’s justifications for atrocities against civilians.” Real self-aware wolves moment there.
But it seems your head is so deep in your own ass that it can likely never be extricated, so you’ll probably double down on calling me a zionist because I refuse to say hamas is even remotely okay. Apparently according to you, I can’t be pro-civilian, supporting Palestinian civilians and Israeli civilians alike. Apparently, according to you, I have to choose a side, and only one can survive. That logic leaves room for only two outcomes, both of which are ethnic cleansing on one side or the other, and creates a “survival of the fittest”/“might makes right” paradigm which is unwinnable for Palestine. And for the record, in case it’s still unclear, I fundamentally disagree with that.
You rock. Thanks for being a voice of reason. I like to think that someone out there will read this conversation and see that you’re the only one being reasonable, so it’s not in vain. I definitely couldn’t keep a cool head in this comment chain like you did.
Dude, I’m not a zionist. My comment clearly included critiques of the Israeli government, which a zionist wouldn’t have included. Unlike you, I’m actually capable of criticizing both hamas and the Israeli government. There’s not really a “good side” in this conflict, which is part of why it’s so complex and hard to solve. But there are innocent civilians on both sides.
This is precisely what I meant when I said that to some people, “anyone who doesn’t blow hamas is a genocide supporter.” Your response was to push me to mention what’s wrong with hamas, and then you act like I’m defending Israel because I say “rape and human shields are bad.”
Nothing has been debunked, there’s graphic evidence to the contrary. The “that’s been debunked” bullshit is pro-hamas propaganda.
And you literally said you support hamas unconditionally. Now you say “I didn’t say I don’t have criticisms of hamas, I do.” Do you know what unconditional means, or are you backtracking?
And if anything I said sounds to you like Israeli propaganda, it’s because I was pointing out to you the logical conclusions of the things you were saying. You claimed that pro-Palestinian and pro-hamas are the same thing. That’s literally Israeli propaganda. Israel defines every Palestinian civilian as a member of hamas, to try to justify their atrocities against civilians.
Apparently you misunderstood what I was saying, although I thought I was quite clear. I wasn’t saying “Israel is right, every Palestinian is hamas so it’s okay to target civilians.” I was saying “conflating pro-Palestinian with pro-hamas is Israeli propaganda, which you’re parroting, and if it were true then we would have to accept Israel’s justifications for atrocities against civilians.” Real self-aware wolves moment there.
But it seems your head is so deep in your own ass that it can likely never be extricated, so you’ll probably double down on calling me a zionist because I refuse to say hamas is even remotely okay. Apparently according to you, I can’t be pro-civilian, supporting Palestinian civilians and Israeli civilians alike. Apparently, according to you, I have to choose a side, and only one can survive. That logic leaves room for only two outcomes, both of which are ethnic cleansing on one side or the other, and creates a “survival of the fittest”/“might makes right” paradigm which is unwinnable for Palestine. And for the record, in case it’s still unclear, I fundamentally disagree with that.
You rock. Thanks for being a voice of reason. I like to think that someone out there will read this conversation and see that you’re the only one being reasonable, so it’s not in vain. I definitely couldn’t keep a cool head in this comment chain like you did.