No just the whole thing. It seems sort of extreme to do all this stuff in the code. This is not something the software should have inbuilt if you ask me.
Oh please if Lemmy had that hard coded you would absolutely not be defending it. Even if it was just .ml you’d still use it to smear all of Lemmy. I hate 4chan too and would prefer not to see it, but this is still by definition a very heavy handed imposing of one’s personal opinion on others and limiting expression but somehow it doesn’t get the authoritarian label. Wonder why.
It can be taken out if, 1, you know it exists (is it documented?), 2, you know how to program (is it configurable through the normal instance setup or do you have to sift through the code and then maintain your own fork with it removed?). Sure seems like being able to take it out is a side effect of it being open source and was not intended to be configurable. If that’s your bar then any feature you don’t like in any fediverse platform “can be taken out.” You’re talking as if it was explicitly made to be taken out.
Also, it doesn’t just detect 4chan pictures. It MASSIVELY overblocks. This is Lemmy’s slur filter blocking “fire removedant” but on steroids. Tell me again how Pifed is the “anti authoritarian” Lemmy.
2, you know how to program (is it configurable through the normal instance setup or do you have to sift through the code and then maintain your own fork with it removed?)
You don’t need your own fork, all of those filters are editable in the admin settings.
I’m on piefed.zip, I can comment “This” just fine:
I feel like you’re moving from moderation to sort of oppressive or authoritarian territory once you’re literally building a social credit system into your software. If you want that, sure use PieFed. I don’t want that, so I won’t.
It seems the chief complaint people have about Lemmy going to Piefed are how admins operate their instances. Not sure any of this will change that, or even help.
Not to mention all these are just a game for trolls and spammers to tool around with. Like: Up/downvotes were built before vote manipulation became a problem.
This stuff is the difference between building a bridge and governing who crosses it.
Its not vote manipulation as such here. Its much simpler than that. Lemmy has a spam problem. People coming in to just make shill communities selling a service or product or spamming advert posts across communities.
They usually get downvoted, but I can use Piefeds admin tools to filter for downvoted posts by new accounts. This usually catches most spammers like that. I can then ban them from piefed.social and pass that on to Lemmy admins.
Sounds like a flood control for community creation would be appropriate.
It used to be in the early days instances would vet users at signup. Is there no mechanism for an instance admin to do the same for the creation of a community? They just can’t be vetted before creation?
The blocking tool specifically? Most block functions on sites operate like Piefeds.
No just the whole thing. It seems sort of extreme to do all this stuff in the code. This is not something the software should have inbuilt if you ask me.
Why? Much of it is orientated around giving admins tools to deal with trolls/spammers/AI posters. An alert system.
Lol y’all complain about Lemmy being authoritarian but think this is fine?
This is just something piefed.social has, not all. Rimu dislikes 4chan culture heavily.
Oh please if Lemmy had that hard coded you would absolutely not be defending it. Even if it was just .ml you’d still use it to smear all of Lemmy. I hate 4chan too and would prefer not to see it, but this is still by definition a very heavy handed imposing of one’s personal opinion on others and limiting expression but somehow it doesn’t get the authoritarian label. Wonder why.
It can be taken out is what I mean. You are talking as if it can’t.
It can be taken out if, 1, you know it exists (is it documented?), 2, you know how to program (is it configurable through the normal instance setup or do you have to sift through the code and then maintain your own fork with it removed?). Sure seems like being able to take it out is a side effect of it being open source and was not intended to be configurable. If that’s your bar then any feature you don’t like in any fediverse platform “can be taken out.” You’re talking as if it was explicitly made to be taken out.
Also, it doesn’t just detect 4chan pictures. It MASSIVELY overblocks. This is Lemmy’s slur filter blocking “fire removedant” but on steroids. Tell me again how Pifed is the “anti authoritarian” Lemmy.
It is public knowledge. Not sure about the documentation level.
No, I think it can removed in the administration settings of an instance.
You don’t need your own fork, all of those filters are editable in the admin settings.
I’m on piefed.zip, I can comment “This” just fine:
I feel like you’re moving from moderation to sort of oppressive or authoritarian territory once you’re literally building a social credit system into your software. If you want that, sure use PieFed. I don’t want that, so I won’t.
Ironic how piefed defederates from lgml and lml by default, yet implements CCP-style and CCP-vibe content and behaviour moderation.
So the reputation system. I’ll see if Rimu can be talked into making it instance level.
But its function is primarily to just catch out trolls and spammers. Make them more visible to admins.
It seems the chief complaint people have about Lemmy going to Piefed are how admins operate their instances. Not sure any of this will change that, or even help.
Not to mention all these are just a game for trolls and spammers to tool around with. Like: Up/downvotes were built before vote manipulation became a problem.
This stuff is the difference between building a bridge and governing who crosses it.
Its not vote manipulation as such here. Its much simpler than that. Lemmy has a spam problem. People coming in to just make shill communities selling a service or product or spamming advert posts across communities.
They usually get downvoted, but I can use Piefeds admin tools to filter for downvoted posts by new accounts. This usually catches most spammers like that. I can then ban them from piefed.social and pass that on to Lemmy admins.
A lot of Day 1 trolls are caught like this too.
Sounds like a flood control for community creation would be appropriate.
It used to be in the early days instances would vet users at signup. Is there no mechanism for an instance admin to do the same for the creation of a community? They just can’t be vetted before creation?
Piefed already disables community creation for out of the box accounts for a few days at least. Lemmy doesn’t. That’s the problem.
Also many of these spammers just spam on other communities rather than doing it on their own.