Ah yes the same people who abstained from voting or picked a “third option” and allowed Trump to take office. Na those people are just as bad a Trump voters.
I love these asinine takes. I’ve yet to have a single person come up with a convincing argument about how I helped Trump, but let’s see you give it a shot.
I didn’t vote for Kamala(or Trump, before some braindead moron claims otherwise)
I live in California.
California historically has voted blue for the last ~60 years.
Predictably, Kamala won California by a large margin like any sane person expected.
So how did my vote help Trump? I showed my displeasure with the Democrat Party AND Kamala still got my states electoral votes regardless. So how, exactly, did my vote support Trump?
Or is there actually a shitload of nuance to this issue that you conveniently throw out the window? This is a braindead MAGA level cope.
Dems did more to put Trump in power than every third party and protest voter combined, and you’re still making excuses for them because you stand for absolutely nothing
Wait, so are we meaningless fringe weirdos who can be safely ignored, or are we powerful enough to sway an election? Because if it’s the former then you’re just scapegoating us for the colossal failures of the party, and if it’s the latter then that makes it even more inexcusable that the Democrats wouldn’t even not commit genocide to secure our votes.
Even if everyone that voted third party had voted for Harris, she still would have lost. Voting rates are extraordinarily low in the US Empire in general. Both parties are ultimately capitalist parties that are entirely divorced from the working classes, and the need for a working class party like PSL is critical for any advancement.
Wait why is a working class party necessary in current capitalist systems when what we want is to overthrow the current governments and instate a socialist ones?
Even if only a fairly large minority of the industrial workers, and not “millions” and “legions”, follow the lead of the Catholic clergy—and a similar minority of rural workers follow the landowners and kulaks (Grossbauern)—it undoubtedly signifies that parliamentarianism in Germany has not yet politically outlived itself, that participation in parliamentary elections and in the struggle on the parliamentary rostrum is obligatory on the party of the revolutionary proletariat specifically for the purpose of educating the backward strata of its own class, and for the purpose of awakening and enlightening the undeveloped, downtrodden and ignorant rural masses. Whilst you lack the strength to do away with bourgeois parliaments and every other type of reactionary institution, you must work within them because it is there that you will still find workers who are duped by the priests and stultified by the conditions of rural life; otherwise you risk turning into nothing but windbags.
Lenin’s argument was that even if an electoral system is deeply flawed, participation is necessary in order to reach people who are invested in the system. In addition to spreading the message, it also provides a way to assess the strength and popularity of a platform, and it can serve as a means of testing and weeding out prospective leaders who might be opportunists.
The party is necessary to actually overthrow the government. Voting for said party helps show that the present system is rigged, and helps get the word out about their platform. See Lady Izdihar’s diagram on the Leninist theory of revolution:
In short, PSL is a revolutionary party that engages in electoralism not for belief in winning, but as a part of revolutionary strategy.
Ah yes the same people who abstained from voting or picked a “third option” and allowed Trump to take office. Na those people are just as bad a Trump voters.
I love these asinine takes. I’ve yet to have a single person come up with a convincing argument about how I helped Trump, but let’s see you give it a shot.
I didn’t vote for Kamala(or Trump, before some braindead moron claims otherwise)
I live in California.
California historically has voted blue for the last ~60 years.
Predictably, Kamala won California by a large margin like any sane person expected.
So how did my vote help Trump? I showed my displeasure with the Democrat Party AND Kamala still got my states electoral votes regardless. So how, exactly, did my vote support Trump?
Or is there actually a shitload of nuance to this issue that you conveniently throw out the window? This is a braindead MAGA level cope.
Dems did more to put Trump in power than every third party and protest voter combined, and you’re still making excuses for them because you stand for absolutely nothing
Wait, so are we meaningless fringe weirdos who can be safely ignored, or are we powerful enough to sway an election? Because if it’s the former then you’re just scapegoating us for the colossal failures of the party, and if it’s the latter then that makes it even more inexcusable that the Democrats wouldn’t even not commit genocide to secure our votes.
The enemy is both strong and weak
Yeah they could have even lied and done a cease-fire until the elections were done
Becsuse we all know how well israel follows cease fires
Fair lol
Even if everyone that voted third party had voted for Harris, she still would have lost. Voting rates are extraordinarily low in the US Empire in general. Both parties are ultimately capitalist parties that are entirely divorced from the working classes, and the need for a working class party like PSL is critical for any advancement.
Wait why is a working class party necessary in current capitalist systems when what we want is to overthrow the current governments and instate a socialist ones?
Should we Participate in Bourgeois Parliaments? - V. I. Lenin
Lenin’s argument was that even if an electoral system is deeply flawed, participation is necessary in order to reach people who are invested in the system. In addition to spreading the message, it also provides a way to assess the strength and popularity of a platform, and it can serve as a means of testing and weeding out prospective leaders who might be opportunists.
The party is necessary to actually overthrow the government. Voting for said party helps show that the present system is rigged, and helps get the word out about their platform. See Lady Izdihar’s diagram on the Leninist theory of revolution:
In short, PSL is a revolutionary party that engages in electoralism not for belief in winning, but as a part of revolutionary strategy.
Lemmy.world strikes again.
Wrong again
Stop running evil candidates.