• ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world
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    Lol, no. History tells us that for any coup to be successful, even a so-called “bloodless” coup, the military – or a critical mass thereof – must already be on board or get there quickly, or the coup FAILS.

    Historically, unless the military is already in power, either as a junta or as a loyalist unit, the military is the big question mark, not the certainty, and history is full of attempted coups that never even got off the ground because the military laughed.

    This is especially true here and now in the US as well: ICE is not the military. It’s not even a part of the military.

    ICE is a comparatively tiny force of less that 5k that belongs to DHS and has hired a bunch of sociopaths to make big dramas of force in small places, and in so doing stage a big shock and awe program for the rest of us, including the servicemen and women of the military who are also citizens, many of whom are black and brown and whose loved ones are also being targeted by ICE.

    He’s NOT doing this because the coup is already successful and we’ve all fallen in line; this is all being done so that we WILL fall in line. And it’s backfiring in his face. Imagine having to release the Epstein files because that is the lesser story, and you’re trying to draw attention away from tens of thousands who are spontaneously protesting across all fifty states because they hate you so much, lol.

    I think you also may have forgotten that the US military is an entirely volunteer force. There is no draft here. People are in the US military because they choose to be. Why do you assume they are happier with this than anyone else?

    I’ll believe the military is on board when I see it with my own eyes. THAT is what history tells us in reality.

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      History tells us that for any coup to be successful, even a so-called “bloodless” coup, the military – or a critical mass thereof – must already be on board

      Name a time in history that a paid military has refused it’s orders.

      Imagine having to release the Epstein files because that is the lesser story

      They had to release them because they were legally compelled. They don’t give a shit about backlash or they never would have sent them in in the first place.

      He’s NOT doing this because the coup is already successful and we’ve all fallen in line

      Doing what? Sending ICE into Democrat run cities? No. He’s doing in part to exact vengeance, and in part in order to enact martial law and cancel the midterms. He’s not been subtle about this.

      I think you also may have forgotten that the US military is an entirely volunteer force.

      It is 0% volunteer. Everyone is well-compensated.

      People are in the US military because they choose to be.

      Most of them are dumb people who couldn’t think of a better option. Many joined just for the opportunity to get a license to bully, harrass and kill others.

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        Most of them are dumb people who couldn’t think of a better option. Many joined just for the opportunity to get a license to bully, harrass and kill others.

        That is definitely a sentence. 🙄

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            Most people who join the military do it because they have no other options. They come from counties where there is no work or hope. And the military gives them that. And the reason they will obey an order is because that’s how they were trained. It won’t be the grunts who will have to rebel, it will have to be Generals and Admirals, who will make that call.

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          He isn’t wrong about the military. Best we can hope is the rank and file just kinda half asses or does whatever they’re doing incompetently, but all of the leadership (including all the people that actually determine the legality of orders) have been replaced with MAGAts. It will be down to boots on the street refusing to fire on civilians and I don’t for a second believe sanity will prevail.