South Park sucks now. Kyle and Stan said that, and since they are Matt and Trey, i don’t think they enjoy writing this crap. It’s that they can’t stay silent about it, so I personally think they hate that. And I hate it too, everything about Trump makes me want to vomit.
They’re making the big bucks. Theyve regularly tried to get the show cancelled with that joke of “South Park Sucks Now” they even got the hashtag #cancelsouthpark trending on purpose. If they really wanted to walk away, they could. But they just keep coming back with more and more ridiculous demands for pay and they keep getting it.
As far as I can tell, they are genuinely good folks who use money and influence to do good. After taking ownership of Casa Bonita, during the renovation period that followed, they said that they will still pay the existing employees, but only if those employees do charity work while the place is being renovated. Mat and Trey make money but they don’t seem hungry for more. They also renewed a deal with Paramount; but when CBS tried to cancel Colbert so that the duo’s parent company, Skydance, will have the Trump admin approve the merger with CBS, Mat and Trey unabashedly criticised their company without fear of cancellation and despite having just signed a renewed contract. They were not punished nonetheless and if even if there have been, I believe they will stick to their guns.
TBF, there’s some serious questions around how employees are being treated at Casa Bonita right now (but I’m not really all that knowledgeable about that stuff). But, yeah, they seem to be genuine people overall. They gave a ton of money to the animation program at UC Boulder. They’ve been pretty committed to an avoidance of hypocrisy–they’ve lampooned wealth and celebrity and are trying to not become the thing they’ve joked about.
Whenever they take on real world stuff, they’re incredibly smug and sanctimonious about it. This has been the case since the start, and I can’t say I’ve ever been able to get past that.
I grew up on that show, and I don’t really see what you mean. Maybe because my political views are more or less aligned to theirs. But I get this type of humor is not for everyone, especially if you don’t agree with the message they are trying to send.
I don’t enjoy their new stuff but it’s because I mentioned in my previous comment. Real world right now is crazier than any fiction, so you can’t really laugh at the jokes when it’s just the world. it’s more depressing than funny.
I don’t think so, I think that sounds like some criticism from someone that doesn’t have anything real to criticize.
People like that suck too, like at least be decent to wait to find something with merit to ctiticize, just pushing through some ad hoc criticism anyway is annoying. I mean, how is it sanctimonius of them to critique current events? How is that any more smug than the person criticizing them for being smug for the crime of lampooning current events?
More than likely the criticizer is a dick rider of someone they are making fun of, without anything real to criticize, but a social media following and perhaps a contract for pr.
I don’t like South Park because of that smug, sanctimonious tone either, but my housemates love it and regularly leave re-runs playing for background noise as they go about their day, so allow me to offer that same criticism from someone that has seen every episode multiple times and can offer something “real” to back it up:
The long arc of the South Park plot follows Trey and Parker’s political development from bitter, unknown California Republicans with sarcastic, nihilist tendencies to disillusioned Big Hollywood Conservatives with sarcastic, nihilistic tendencies being forced to reckon with the fact that their past attempts at satire have either had no impact or have actually reinforced the perceived social ills they pretend to mock.
Al Gore’s portrayal in S22E06 “Time to get Cereal” exemplifies this, even after he is proven to have been right about ManBearPig all along, this later appearance shows him as still being a huge weenie that cares more about being acknowledged as having been right than wanting to actually solve the problem. Having belatedly acknowledged the existential threat, Trey and Parker still can’t bring themselves to issue a call to action, and everything goes back to normal after they kick the can a little further down the road.
Thus, the smug, sanctimonious tone has been a constant throughout, as if they still imagine that the greatest sin is caring about things. They’re so heavy-handed about it that they lampoon this aspect of their own show in Kyle’s “Don’t you see,” and “Y’know, I’ve learned something today” closing monologues. Even when he’s telling a real political truth, like in the banned S16E06 where the text of the monologue is an admission that terrorism works and the subtext is a refusal to acknowledge their own contributions to post-9/11 anti-muslim discrimination in America, Jesus (representing mainstream American Christianity) gives falsely-sincere advice to the gingers (who represent all minority groups facing irrational discrimination) that they just need to get as violent as the most aggressive extremists so that people will respect them. Which is itself a smug, sanctimonious, and sarcastic way of suggesting that they can never be respected as people, only either seen as lesser or feared as an enemy.
I haven’t seen much new from them. But calling them republican for criticizing al gore belies faullty logic.
For the crime of contending the campaign was more for personal gain is probably an accurate critique to a large degree. It often is with these aristocrats. Just like Robert Kennedy here, he doesn’t believe this shit, he’s playing them, it’s his thing, they all do it, none of them are authentic.
I never got the impression they were sanctimonius themselves, simply lampooning, mimicking, satirizing our society would come across like that however if one wasn’t able to make the distinction, because our influencers are. The ones I’ve seen it’s clearly satire, like they are making fun of the characters’ naivety and simpleness as they are in society not themselves moralizing to the audience.
Stone said in 2001, regarding his political views, “I hate conservatives, but I really fucking hate liberals.” When asked about that quote during a 2010 interview, Stone stated: “We don’t want you to come to it thinking, ‘These guys are going to bash liberals,’ … It’s so much more fun for us to rip on liberals only because nobody else does it, and not because we think liberals are worse than Republicans.” In 2006, Stone described himself as libertarian.
A 2001 Los Angeles Times article described Parker as “not overly political” and quoted him as saying he was “a registered Libertarian”. In 2004, Parker summed up his views with the comment:
What we’re sick of—and it’s getting even worse—is: you either like Michael Moore or you wanna fuckin’ go overseas and shoot Iraqis. There can’t be a middle ground. Basically, if you think Michael Moore’s full of shit, then you are a super-Christian right-wing whatever. And we’re both just pretty middle-ground guys. We find just as many things to rip on on the left as we do on the right. People on the far left and the far right are the same exact person to us.
I feel like you’re a bit too emotionally involved. It’s just a cartoon, calm down.
Anyway, to clarify my comment, which I thought was brief and to the point enough that it was easy to grasp, but apparently not for you: I don’t think there’s anything wrong with covering current events or lampooning stuff. The way south park does this is sanctimonious and smug, to the point where I find it a bit hard to watch.
You are doing a Cartman on here, projecting and slandering emotional arguments knowing passing commenters don’t know any better than to take your “side.” Yet your argument doesn’t make any sense, and no number of half-wits agreeing with your half baked emotional slanders changes that. Your argument was without merit, and you have an ulterior motive for it, one you don’t want to share. You are playing the sheep.
You also use slanders elsewhere don’t you? Accusing the writers of south park to be transphobes without evidence, and everyone watching the show of running cover for them. That forces people to go on the defensive, so that’s a fun one for manipulators. It is harmful to those groups to make false allegations like that though, lessening the value of them when the accusations are real.
I remember years back, when they took their first extended break and there were speculations about South Park being done, Trey Parker said something about having Cartman’s voice in his head constantly and so he needed to make the show to kind of exorcise that voice. I bet it’s the same with Randy at this point, too. They can’t help that they have the most obnoxious and insistent muse that’s ever mused.
I also think the title of the recent season finale (“Crap Out”) has multiple layers of meaning: they more or less crapped out a conclusion to a storyline, the story itself is literally a kind of crap out, AND I think there’s a lament/realization that what’s all happening in the US will simply crap out itself rather than be properly addressed and dealt with.
South Park sucks now. Kyle and Stan said that, and since they are Matt and Trey, i don’t think they enjoy writing this crap. It’s that they can’t stay silent about it, so I personally think they hate that. And I hate it too, everything about Trump makes me want to vomit.
They’re making the big bucks. Theyve regularly tried to get the show cancelled with that joke of “South Park Sucks Now” they even got the hashtag #cancelsouthpark trending on purpose. If they really wanted to walk away, they could. But they just keep coming back with more and more ridiculous demands for pay and they keep getting it.
As far as I can tell, they are genuinely good folks who use money and influence to do good. After taking ownership of Casa Bonita, during the renovation period that followed, they said that they will still pay the existing employees, but only if those employees do charity work while the place is being renovated. Mat and Trey make money but they don’t seem hungry for more. They also renewed a deal with Paramount; but when CBS tried to cancel Colbert so that the duo’s parent company, Skydance, will have the Trump admin approve the merger with CBS, Mat and Trey unabashedly criticised their company without fear of cancellation and despite having just signed a renewed contract. They were not punished nonetheless and if even if there have been, I believe they will stick to their guns.
TBF, there’s some serious questions around how employees are being treated at Casa Bonita right now (but I’m not really all that knowledgeable about that stuff). But, yeah, they seem to be genuine people overall. They gave a ton of money to the animation program at UC Boulder. They’ve been pretty committed to an avoidance of hypocrisy–they’ve lampooned wealth and celebrity and are trying to not become the thing they’ve joked about.
I guess you are right. It’s just about the money now. They already made the deal, so a lot more lazy episodes will be coming.
Whenever they take on real world stuff, they’re incredibly smug and sanctimonious about it. This has been the case since the start, and I can’t say I’ve ever been able to get past that.
I grew up on that show, and I don’t really see what you mean. Maybe because my political views are more or less aligned to theirs. But I get this type of humor is not for everyone, especially if you don’t agree with the message they are trying to send. I don’t enjoy their new stuff but it’s because I mentioned in my previous comment. Real world right now is crazier than any fiction, so you can’t really laugh at the jokes when it’s just the world. it’s more depressing than funny.
I don’t think so, I think that sounds like some criticism from someone that doesn’t have anything real to criticize.
People like that suck too, like at least be decent to wait to find something with merit to ctiticize, just pushing through some ad hoc criticism anyway is annoying. I mean, how is it sanctimonius of them to critique current events? How is that any more smug than the person criticizing them for being smug for the crime of lampooning current events?
More than likely the criticizer is a dick rider of someone they are making fun of, without anything real to criticize, but a social media following and perhaps a contract for pr.
I don’t like South Park because of that smug, sanctimonious tone either, but my housemates love it and regularly leave re-runs playing for background noise as they go about their day, so allow me to offer that same criticism from someone that has seen every episode multiple times and can offer something “real” to back it up:
The long arc of the South Park plot follows Trey and Parker’s political development from bitter, unknown California Republicans with sarcastic, nihilist tendencies to disillusioned Big Hollywood Conservatives with sarcastic, nihilistic tendencies being forced to reckon with the fact that their past attempts at satire have either had no impact or have actually reinforced the perceived social ills they pretend to mock.
Al Gore’s portrayal in S22E06 “Time to get Cereal” exemplifies this, even after he is proven to have been right about ManBearPig all along, this later appearance shows him as still being a huge weenie that cares more about being acknowledged as having been right than wanting to actually solve the problem. Having belatedly acknowledged the existential threat, Trey and Parker still can’t bring themselves to issue a call to action, and everything goes back to normal after they kick the can a little further down the road.
Thus, the smug, sanctimonious tone has been a constant throughout, as if they still imagine that the greatest sin is caring about things. They’re so heavy-handed about it that they lampoon this aspect of their own show in Kyle’s “Don’t you see,” and “Y’know, I’ve learned something today” closing monologues. Even when he’s telling a real political truth, like in the banned S16E06 where the text of the monologue is an admission that terrorism works and the subtext is a refusal to acknowledge their own contributions to post-9/11 anti-muslim discrimination in America, Jesus (representing mainstream American Christianity) gives falsely-sincere advice to the gingers (who represent all minority groups facing irrational discrimination) that they just need to get as violent as the most aggressive extremists so that people will respect them. Which is itself a smug, sanctimonious, and sarcastic way of suggesting that they can never be respected as people, only either seen as lesser or feared as an enemy.
I haven’t seen much new from them. But calling them republican for criticizing al gore belies faullty logic.
For the crime of contending the campaign was more for personal gain is probably an accurate critique to a large degree. It often is with these aristocrats. Just like Robert Kennedy here, he doesn’t believe this shit, he’s playing them, it’s his thing, they all do it, none of them are authentic.
I never got the impression they were sanctimonius themselves, simply lampooning, mimicking, satirizing our society would come across like that however if one wasn’t able to make the distinction, because our influencers are. The ones I’ve seen it’s clearly satire, like they are making fun of the characters’ naivety and simpleness as they are in society not themselves moralizing to the audience.
Well I do like Michael Moore, and I rip liberals.
I feel like you’re a bit too emotionally involved. It’s just a cartoon, calm down.
Anyway, to clarify my comment, which I thought was brief and to the point enough that it was easy to grasp, but apparently not for you: I don’t think there’s anything wrong with covering current events or lampooning stuff. The way south park does this is sanctimonious and smug, to the point where I find it a bit hard to watch.
You are doing a Cartman on here, projecting and slandering emotional arguments knowing passing commenters don’t know any better than to take your “side.” Yet your argument doesn’t make any sense, and no number of half-wits agreeing with your half baked emotional slanders changes that. Your argument was without merit, and you have an ulterior motive for it, one you don’t want to share. You are playing the sheep.
You also use slanders elsewhere don’t you? Accusing the writers of south park to be transphobes without evidence, and everyone watching the show of running cover for them. That forces people to go on the defensive, so that’s a fun one for manipulators. It is harmful to those groups to make false allegations like that though, lessening the value of them when the accusations are real.
I remember years back, when they took their first extended break and there were speculations about South Park being done, Trey Parker said something about having Cartman’s voice in his head constantly and so he needed to make the show to kind of exorcise that voice. I bet it’s the same with Randy at this point, too. They can’t help that they have the most obnoxious and insistent muse that’s ever mused.
I also think the title of the recent season finale (“Crap Out”) has multiple layers of meaning: they more or less crapped out a conclusion to a storyline, the story itself is literally a kind of crap out, AND I think there’s a lament/realization that what’s all happening in the US will simply crap out itself rather than be properly addressed and dealt with.
If they don’t enjoy it, they could simply write episodes that they do enjoy.