Do you also uphold this same standard for those, who say murder, child sexual abuse, animal abuse, etc. are bad? At least two of those three mentioned has way more performative activism attached to them, than to anti-AI, with most performative anti-AI activism coming from AI-grifters (!) themselves generating anti-AI propaganda, and/or those who only concerned about AI use in their own field.
Just because someone thinks even self-defense should be illegal due to “murder is bad even if the murdered is bad, uwu” doesn’t make murder not bad.
Just because someone thinks lolicon and not having pubic hair is literally pedophilia (or at least “normalizes” it) doesn’t make child sexual abuse not bad.
Just because someone thinks meat is murder or posts “let’s call John Wick!” on even the smallest forms of animal abuse (or even fake ones) doesn’t make animal abuse not bad.
And just because of anti-AI sentiments being popular even among some AI users for some parts doesn’t negate the negative impacts of generative AI on the society. Boomers will still be fooled by them (even I can be if I don’t use a magnifier glass every time to check for artifacts - at least convincing photoshops like that old image of Osama Bin Laden, George Bush, and Barack Obama being photoshopped onto the bodies of rabbis took effort from nazis to create, not just googling how to jailbreak advanced models), scammers are going to use it to augment or automate their scams, grifters are going to use it to spam “art” to get ad revenue for their first Porsche, the gas turbines are pollluting the environment, the people behind it are snake oil salesmen, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera!
I never said anything about AI being good or bad. Your comment is misdirected.
The criticism is of everybody joining the anti-AI circlejerk like they’re actually doing something to help. It’s like Lemmy is just a big anti-AI support group. Instead you can promote groups that are driving legislation to control AI, groups that are helping people affected by AI, develop and share data to support your sentiments towards AI.
I get it. Wanting to belong to a community is one of the most human traits there is and the anti-AI circlejerk is at its essence a protest against digital conformity and for conserving what it means to be human.
It’s also sad to see how desperate people are to belong to something that they’ll just regurgitate the same thoughtless messages over and over with no real progress holding on to every last bit of connection until it inevitably fades away and everybody is left feeling like they fought the good fight when really they just jerked each other off until they bled into the abyss and life kept moving on without them.
I would hereby like to issue a formal invitation to the pro-human community!
With the emphasis lying on breaking free from the fake and inauthentic interactions of digital life.
You can still have a digital life and even use a some AI, but the human spirit should not be smothered in the way that it is now.
(partial sarcasm)
Join today rediscover your humanity!
Thanks! I use AI every day and I talk to people every day. I think there are a lot of great uses for AI, and a lot of bad ones, and am excited for what the future of AI has in store, but by no means am I saying that everybody should be using it. I would love to hear what the community thinks!
I find it difficult to pick a side, so I guess I don’t. I am a researcher and I also work with ML models everyday to make things that can help real people. But I would hesitate to say that LLMs have been a net positive for humanity.
I guess what it comes down to is that the potential for misuse feel limitless, while the potential for good feels limited to me. Technology is only as good as the people using it. That says less about the technology and more about the current state of the world.
Although I think that the world would have been better without LLMs, that is wishful thinking. It’s better to tackle the underlying problems that are being amplified by LLMS, namely: in-authenticity, misinformation and online slop.
That is why I come here, this place still has some sense of authenticity. Like us, engaging in real discussion, It’s not a proper meaningful human interaction, but hey we all want to relax online sometimes.
I think we often have to try things before they’re fully baked in order to make progress and unfortunately in the US and many other parts of the world, corporations bastardize these innovations, steer them in all sorts of unintended directions and push on people to drive revenue.
I agree to some degree that LLM’s have a greater potential for bad than they do good, at least for now, but there’s a lot of good in many things today that may have started out that way in the past. The internet was and, really still is, an avenue for potentially very dangerous activity, but there’s also a ton of benefit in the interconnectedness of people. Smartphones are a huge drain on humanity requiring connection to the world 24/7, but also are an incredible tool for many other applications. And LLM’s are just the beginning (obviously not the beginning, but at a mass scale) and I think will evolve and combine with other AI tech and find its way just like all the other tech before it.
Change is hard and capitalism is depressing, but there’s still a real human world out there full of feelings and opinions. Nothing is gonna stop that. It may shape it, but that has always been the case.
They never have concrete rebuttals to thought-out replies. If it was a matter of thinking, they wouldn’t be going to bat for generative AI. Good work though.
This is the problem. You completely misinterpreted my comment to fuel your own anti-AI agenda. I made no mention of whether AI was good or bad. It was a comment about people who are posting anti-AI content. Then you took that and said OH! Anybody against us is pro-AI! This is the problem. This attitude will only push people away, not bring people in.
This attitude is why we have Trump. It only creates division.
Nah cynical dipshits on the internet who try to Jordan Peterson every conversation about art theft and AI regulation who are creating division. Have a good one, enjoy your AI titties and shit.
Do you also uphold this same standard for those, who say murder, child sexual abuse, animal abuse, etc. are bad? At least two of those three mentioned has way more performative activism attached to them, than to anti-AI, with most performative anti-AI activism coming from AI-grifters (!) themselves generating anti-AI propaganda, and/or those who only concerned about AI use in their own field.
Just because someone thinks even self-defense should be illegal due to “murder is bad even if the murdered is bad, uwu” doesn’t make murder not bad.
Just because someone thinks lolicon and not having pubic hair is literally pedophilia (or at least “normalizes” it) doesn’t make child sexual abuse not bad.
Just because someone thinks meat is murder or posts “let’s call John Wick!” on even the smallest forms of animal abuse (or even fake ones) doesn’t make animal abuse not bad.
And just because of anti-AI sentiments being popular even among some AI users for some parts doesn’t negate the negative impacts of generative AI on the society. Boomers will still be fooled by them (even I can be if I don’t use a magnifier glass every time to check for artifacts - at least convincing photoshops like that old image of Osama Bin Laden, George Bush, and Barack Obama being photoshopped onto the bodies of rabbis took effort from nazis to create, not just googling how to jailbreak advanced models), scammers are going to use it to augment or automate their scams, grifters are going to use it to spam “art” to get ad revenue for their first Porsche, the gas turbines are pollluting the environment, the people behind it are snake oil salesmen, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera!
Had a lot to unpack there huh?
I never said anything about AI being good or bad. Your comment is misdirected.
The criticism is of everybody joining the anti-AI circlejerk like they’re actually doing something to help. It’s like Lemmy is just a big anti-AI support group. Instead you can promote groups that are driving legislation to control AI, groups that are helping people affected by AI, develop and share data to support your sentiments towards AI.
I get it. Wanting to belong to a community is one of the most human traits there is and the anti-AI circlejerk is at its essence a protest against digital conformity and for conserving what it means to be human.
It’s also sad to see how desperate people are to belong to something that they’ll just regurgitate the same thoughtless messages over and over with no real progress holding on to every last bit of connection until it inevitably fades away and everybody is left feeling like they fought the good fight when really they just jerked each other off until they bled into the abyss and life kept moving on without them.
Just my 2¢. 🤪
I like the term community pilled instead of anti AI. Simply placing meaningful human interaction over soulless machine interaction.
That’s great except the anti-AI community is actually not very inviting. But it is human to be flawed.
I would hereby like to issue a formal invitation to the pro-human community!
With the emphasis lying on breaking free from the fake and inauthentic interactions of digital life. You can still have a digital life and even use a some AI, but the human spirit should not be smothered in the way that it is now.
(partial sarcasm) Join today rediscover your humanity!
Edit: Preaching to the choir here I imagine
Thanks! I use AI every day and I talk to people every day. I think there are a lot of great uses for AI, and a lot of bad ones, and am excited for what the future of AI has in store, but by no means am I saying that everybody should be using it. I would love to hear what the community thinks!
I find it difficult to pick a side, so I guess I don’t. I am a researcher and I also work with ML models everyday to make things that can help real people. But I would hesitate to say that LLMs have been a net positive for humanity.
I guess what it comes down to is that the potential for misuse feel limitless, while the potential for good feels limited to me. Technology is only as good as the people using it. That says less about the technology and more about the current state of the world.
Although I think that the world would have been better without LLMs, that is wishful thinking. It’s better to tackle the underlying problems that are being amplified by LLMS, namely: in-authenticity, misinformation and online slop.
That is why I come here, this place still has some sense of authenticity. Like us, engaging in real discussion, It’s not a proper meaningful human interaction, but hey we all want to relax online sometimes.
I would be happy to hear your thoughts.
Best,
A real fellow human.
I think we often have to try things before they’re fully baked in order to make progress and unfortunately in the US and many other parts of the world, corporations bastardize these innovations, steer them in all sorts of unintended directions and push on people to drive revenue.
I agree to some degree that LLM’s have a greater potential for bad than they do good, at least for now, but there’s a lot of good in many things today that may have started out that way in the past. The internet was and, really still is, an avenue for potentially very dangerous activity, but there’s also a ton of benefit in the interconnectedness of people. Smartphones are a huge drain on humanity requiring connection to the world 24/7, but also are an incredible tool for many other applications. And LLM’s are just the beginning (obviously not the beginning, but at a mass scale) and I think will evolve and combine with other AI tech and find its way just like all the other tech before it.
Change is hard and capitalism is depressing, but there’s still a real human world out there full of feelings and opinions. Nothing is gonna stop that. It may shape it, but that has always been the case.
Thanks for responding. I don’t have time to write a proper reply (sleepy) but wanted to say bye. Thanks for chatting!
They never have concrete rebuttals to thought-out replies. If it was a matter of thinking, they wouldn’t be going to bat for generative AI. Good work though.
This is the problem. You completely misinterpreted my comment to fuel your own anti-AI agenda. I made no mention of whether AI was good or bad. It was a comment about people who are posting anti-AI content. Then you took that and said OH! Anybody against us is pro-AI! This is the problem. This attitude will only push people away, not bring people in.
This attitude is why we have Trump. It only creates division.
Nah cynical dipshits on the internet who try to Jordan Peterson every conversation about art theft and AI regulation who are creating division. Have a good one, enjoy your AI titties and shit.
That was a nice concrete rebuttal