• Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
      1·
      5 hours ago

      The majority of the anarchists sided with the socialists over the Tsarists. Major figures like Kropotkin were protected even after the revolution. Anarchists were not hunted systematically, the ones that took up arms against the rest of the working classes were met with force, as is natural in a civil war.

        • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
          2·
          4 hours ago

          Are you allergic to addressing the points I make, by any chance? Fighting between anarchists and socialists absolutely did happen, but this wasn’t a blanket order to terrorize anarchists in particular. The bolsheviks ideologically struggled against anarchism, which itself was not as popular as Marxism in Russia (the opposite of the layer Spanish civil war, where anarchism was dominant). Anarchists by and large accepted socialism, with some deciding to go against the socialists and take up arms, which was definitely met with force.

          • ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.netEnglish
            4·
            4 hours ago

            No, I’m totally on board. Like after really looking at whacky stuff like this, it totally makes sense to just… Ya know, get rid of 'em. Like holy heck, how the hay could they not see all those things would immediately cause the socialist struggle to fail? They were absolute dumbos for not seeing the enlightened wisdom of the Marxist-Leninist party.

            Like this one especially:

            1. To liberate all political prisoners of Socialist parties, as well as all workers, peasants, soldiers, and sailors imprisoned in connection with the labor and peasant movements;

            Totally, like 100% against the aims of a socialist revolution. Good thing 'ol Trotsky dealt with them until they stopped (by killing them instead of just talking with them). And then good thing 'ol Stalin dealt with that traitorous Trotksy later on (by killing him with an ice pick, very scientific I must say).

            • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
              2·
              4 hours ago

              I knew it, you are ignoring my points. Why else would you link the Petropavlovsk resolution when I already referenced it back here, in my first comment reply to you? Copying and pasting my prior points on it in full:

              Kronstadt, in the context of a bloody and brutal civil war against a dozen invading capitalist nations and a strong Tsarist white army, their demands were suicide for the socialists:

              1. To abolish all Political Departments, because no single party may enjoy privileges in the propagation of its ideas and receive funds from the state for this purpose. Instead of these Departments, locally elected cultural-educational commissions must be established and supported by the state. This is the reason for the inclusion of this document in a collection otherwise devoted entirely to official publications.
              1. All ‘cordon detachments” are to be abolished immediately.
              1. To abolish all Communist fighting detachments in all military units, and also the various Communist guards at factories. If such detachments and guards are needed they may be chosen from the companies in military units and in the factories according to the judgment of the workers.

              They wanted the bolsheviks to be stopped, and tie their hands and let the Tsarists and capitalists win. This was absolutely suicidal.

              1. In view of the fact that the present soviets do not represent the will of the workers and peasants, to re-elect the soviets immediately by secret voting, with free canvassing among all workers and peasants before the elections.

              They wanted the bolsheviks disbanded, and replaced by SRs, mensheviks, anarchists, etc. The soviets were there, they just didn’t like how they were made up. Further, the sailors that returned to the soviets were quite literally allowed to go to those meetings in 1936.

              And now on to your current comment:

              1. To liberate all political prisoners of Socialist parties, as well as all workers, peasants, soldiers, and sailors imprisoned in connection with the labor and peasant movements;

              Why on Earth would the bolsheviks do this, especially when the Right-Socialist Revolutionaries often sided with the White Army? Why is the assumption that if the bolsheviks imprisoned them, that this must have been on wrong terms? Further, again, Stepan Petrichenko was a tsarist and was the leader of the rebellion.

              No, I’m totally on board. Like after really looking at whacky stuff like this, it totally makes sense to just… Ya know, get rid of 'em. Like holy heck, how the hay could they not see all those things would immediately cause the socialist struggle to fail? They were absolute dumbos for not seeing the enlightened wisdom of the Marxist-Leninist party.

              This is, again, dodging the points I made. First, after the fighting had started, the sailors turned on the council and turned them in, and they were fine afterwards, they weren’t all “gotten rid of.” Further still, how do you defend their anti-democratic desire to make the bolsheviks unable to be voted for despite their having majority support, and how do you justify the sailors desiring for all communist fighting detachments and cordons to disband? This doesn’t take being a Marxist-Leninist to realize that this was strategic suicide, which is why the bolsheviks responded so violently!