I agree with your point, but disagree that the fediverse is too small to block all Tankies or that an instance “dies” when it owner enforces minimum standards of quality.
I think we all would have been better off if instead of burning out, the Lemmings.world admins banned everything except a single post per day if that post was an absolute banger.
If an instance admin wants to attract like-minded users to their instance, that instance needs to show people what their mind is like.
I don’t think that the admin is talking about the process of administrating their own instance when they talk about being disappointed with the Fediverse, but about their own user experience as a user of the Fediverse.
They want to browse and comment and doomscroll too. As it stands, they find that there’s no instance or comms with the correct ‘balance’ of quantity and quality (or, at least, morality), and they don’t see any immediate solution or combination of federations that would fix that, for their experience.
Huh, I wonder what other social media outlet they think will be better? You have so much control here with blocking and stuff, that I don’t get it either. Uplifting communities are awesome:
superbowl
bats
aww
shitposting (usually about some random food like beans or corn)
I mean, the obvious pivot if they are smart is Outside:
People less dickish
Immediate, 3d immersion - ability to pet cute puppies
Can use skills to make money, instead of just updoots
Personally, I feel like the communities you mentioned aren’t particularly “uplifting”. Like, I’m not hating on cute bat pics - but it feels like basing your whole nutritional strategy on sugary breakfast cereal. Eventually you need something with more substance.
On reddit, I liked 3 types of communities:
Hobbies
Lifestyle/advice
In depth/discussion
Hobbies
The hobby comms have almost no activity. I’m into climbing, hiking, motorcycles, diy, and lifting, among other things. A post in one of these communities is almost a special occasion.
Lifestyle/advice
People looking to improve their productivity, social skills, financial situation, dating life, etc. I liked these subs on reddit because I could often contribute some useful advice, and often learned something to improve my own life. On lemmy, the default is that improving anything about your life is impossible, because capitalism or something.
In depth/discussion
Subs like askereddit or truereddit - places where the idea was to discuss a topic and share stories and theories and ideas. On lemmy, these subs consist mostly of tankie propaganda and conspiracy theories.
It’s all in how you use it I suppose, but I’ve found c/superbowl to be very uplifting.
One could just look at the cute pictures, but the gold is in the comments. There is a ton of effort put into supporting wildlife rescue, with emphasis on pointing people to rescues near them, teaching them about what is involved in wildlife care, and how to volunteer and what opportunities are available for people to improve the health and safety of wildlife in their own communities.
After being subscribed for a year there and seeing every post, along with being upset the direction my country was going, I wanted to do something to make my community a better place, so I went to volunteer at my local rescue. I’ve been able to care for hundreds of animals, some I never even knew lived here, I’ve met a bunch of happy and friendly people that show much how much good is left in the world, and I’ve hosted and gone to events to see even more of the same.
My life as a whole is much better now thanks to being on Lemmy and involved with c/superbowl. It’s given me opportunities and joy i never thought I’d have. Only one other person has told me it’s gotten them to volunteer, but others have shared donation links to stories that have particularly touched them, so hopefully that has gotten them financial support for their important work.
I’m now much more invested in my community and neighbors, and more social and outgoing from finding my passion with wildlife. And it all started here by talking with people and sharing pics of neat owls.
I’d love to see even a 0.1% uptick in volunteers for all the folks here that love the bats/opossums/fox/squirrel/rabbit/capybara communities to volunteer or otherwise support their local rescue! There’s a bit of unpleasant stuff, but other than the equivalent of cleaning a litter box or bagging dog poo, most of the icky or gory stuff is handled by the actual rehabbers.
To volunteer, there aren’t any prequalifications other than we need to pass a background check since we have children on site for educational programs, so we mostly just feed baby animals all day and do basic housekeeping. I forget out end total, but we usually do 4000-5000 animals a year, so all the animal lovers here have the opportunity to spend hands on time with them and make some good friends. I wish I would have started sooner. It’s so nice, especially in tough times to spend time with caring, like-minded people and to do something you can see makes a positive change in your community.
I’d also like to check out the Food, Not Bombs near me in the future as well if I can get some health things of my own taken care of. That also sounds like fun and increasingly important as food and housing prices shoot up.
People looking to improve their productivity, social skills, financial situation, dating life, etc. I liked these subs on reddit because I could often contribute some useful advice, and often learned something to improve my own life. On lemmy, the default is that improving anything about your life is impossible, because capitalism or something.
I hear you, this one made me laugh. I guess we have to be the change for this, we really are too small. I can see the bitching on being too big when those communities get enough traction though.
It all depends on one’s interests. If I was primarily a lurker, like I was back on The Old Place, I probably wouldn’t find enough historical content to keep me invested in the Fediverse, for example.
Absolutely true, but I’ve lurked at the old place occasionally and it’s seriously overrun with bots/ai in the most popular subs. I get your point though, there are still places you can’t find here. The fucked up attitudes are shocking though. If you look at any place-specific, travel sub, the snark is so rude and shitty in more than half the posts. Here, you mostly just get downvotes as trolling
I swear it happened in the few months I first started using Lemmy. I joined then a few months later I was looking for something that I couldn’t find here and ended up back on all. It was 90% right-wing propaganda and ragebait.
I legitimately think that a relatively small but overwhelmingly leftist proportion of the userbase leaving had a very negative effect both on actual discourse, and on what third-parties find productive to push there.
I hear you, but I also believe that the balance you describe is size-independent. If the fediverse consisted of only three people, and one was an asshole, what’s to gain from allowing that asshole to run rampant on your platform if you’re trying to attract non-assholes to your anti-asshole platform? There is no scenario where that doesn’t lead to burnout.
Beehaw.org is a good example of an instance that defederated basically every other large instance and their users seem very happy about it.
And if someone actually wanted to doomscroll and look at shitposts (I don’t get it but they do exist)… they’ll eventually just go to reddit or twitter where that experience will always be superior.
I hear you, but I also believe that the balance you describe is size-independent. If the fediverse consisted of only three people, and one was an asshole, what’s to gain from allowing that asshole to run rampant on your platform if you’re trying to attract non-assholes to your anti-asshole platform? There is no scenario where that doesn’t lead to burnout.
I mean, the amount of media on a platform one consumes certainly adjusts the amount of bullshit on a platform one is willing to endure. I don’t think it’s size-independent.
The problem is that its not just “tankies” but everything that slightly inconveniences an instance get blocked. I really dont want to use 3 different instances because one decides they don’t like anime, the other decides they dont like birds, then another one doesn’t like the color blue and bans anything that has blue.
I wish the federation was left to the users and only illegal stuff is banned. This maybe an unpopular opinion but i agree that all the federation blocking is killing what is already a tiny community.
And on top of that, some instances hand out bans for complete bullshit reasons. It’s not even just the tankie instances that ban you for not being a bootlicker, but also admins that can’t tell the difference between normal, innocuous behavior and automated vote manipulation, hacked accounts and the like and err on the side of banning.
I agree with your point, but disagree that the fediverse is too small to block all Tankies or that an instance “dies” when it owner enforces minimum standards of quality.
I think we all would have been better off if instead of burning out, the Lemmings.world admins banned everything except a single post per day if that post was an absolute banger.
If an instance admin wants to attract like-minded users to their instance, that instance needs to show people what their mind is like.
I don’t think that the admin is talking about the process of administrating their own instance when they talk about being disappointed with the Fediverse, but about their own user experience as a user of the Fediverse.
They want to browse and comment and doomscroll too. As it stands, they find that there’s no instance or comms with the correct ‘balance’ of quantity and quality (or, at least, morality), and they don’t see any immediate solution or combination of federations that would fix that, for their experience.
Huh, I wonder what other social media outlet they think will be better? You have so much control here with blocking and stuff, that I don’t get it either. Uplifting communities are awesome:
Maybe I’m missing something?
I mean, the obvious pivot if they are smart is Outside:
Personally, I feel like the communities you mentioned aren’t particularly “uplifting”. Like, I’m not hating on cute bat pics - but it feels like basing your whole nutritional strategy on sugary breakfast cereal. Eventually you need something with more substance.
On reddit, I liked 3 types of communities:
Hobbies
The hobby comms have almost no activity. I’m into climbing, hiking, motorcycles, diy, and lifting, among other things. A post in one of these communities is almost a special occasion.
Lifestyle/advice
People looking to improve their productivity, social skills, financial situation, dating life, etc. I liked these subs on reddit because I could often contribute some useful advice, and often learned something to improve my own life. On lemmy, the default is that improving anything about your life is impossible, because capitalism or something.
In depth/discussion
Subs like askereddit or truereddit - places where the idea was to discuss a topic and share stories and theories and ideas. On lemmy, these subs consist mostly of tankie propaganda and conspiracy theories.
It’s all in how you use it I suppose, but I’ve found c/superbowl to be very uplifting.
One could just look at the cute pictures, but the gold is in the comments. There is a ton of effort put into supporting wildlife rescue, with emphasis on pointing people to rescues near them, teaching them about what is involved in wildlife care, and how to volunteer and what opportunities are available for people to improve the health and safety of wildlife in their own communities.
After being subscribed for a year there and seeing every post, along with being upset the direction my country was going, I wanted to do something to make my community a better place, so I went to volunteer at my local rescue. I’ve been able to care for hundreds of animals, some I never even knew lived here, I’ve met a bunch of happy and friendly people that show much how much good is left in the world, and I’ve hosted and gone to events to see even more of the same.
My life as a whole is much better now thanks to being on Lemmy and involved with c/superbowl. It’s given me opportunities and joy i never thought I’d have. Only one other person has told me it’s gotten them to volunteer, but others have shared donation links to stories that have particularly touched them, so hopefully that has gotten them financial support for their important work.
I’m now much more invested in my community and neighbors, and more social and outgoing from finding my passion with wildlife. And it all started here by talking with people and sharing pics of neat owls.
That’s delightful. I never thought of that!
I’d love to see even a 0.1% uptick in volunteers for all the folks here that love the bats/opossums/fox/squirrel/rabbit/capybara communities to volunteer or otherwise support their local rescue! There’s a bit of unpleasant stuff, but other than the equivalent of cleaning a litter box or bagging dog poo, most of the icky or gory stuff is handled by the actual rehabbers.
To volunteer, there aren’t any prequalifications other than we need to pass a background check since we have children on site for educational programs, so we mostly just feed baby animals all day and do basic housekeeping. I forget out end total, but we usually do 4000-5000 animals a year, so all the animal lovers here have the opportunity to spend hands on time with them and make some good friends. I wish I would have started sooner. It’s so nice, especially in tough times to spend time with caring, like-minded people and to do something you can see makes a positive change in your community.
I’d also like to check out the Food, Not Bombs near me in the future as well if I can get some health things of my own taken care of. That also sounds like fun and increasingly important as food and housing prices shoot up.
I hear you, this one made me laugh. I guess we have to be the change for this, we really are too small. I can see the bitching on being too big when those communities get enough traction though.
This got an LOL out of me. But seriously! admins! Ban them folks if you find them annoying! It will make Lemmy more attractive!
Thank you, captain!
the dull mens club folk tend to be pretty nice
It all depends on one’s interests. If I was primarily a lurker, like I was back on The Old Place, I probably wouldn’t find enough historical content to keep me invested in the Fediverse, for example.
Absolutely true, but I’ve lurked at the old place occasionally and it’s seriously overrun with bots/ai in the most popular subs. I get your point though, there are still places you can’t find here. The fucked up attitudes are shocking though. If you look at any place-specific, travel sub, the snark is so rude and shitty in more than half the posts. Here, you mostly just get downvotes as trolling
I went into the comments section a few times since, as an observer. Whole place has shifted right, hard.
I swear it happened in the few months I first started using Lemmy. I joined then a few months later I was looking for something that I couldn’t find here and ended up back on all. It was 90% right-wing propaganda and ragebait.
I legitimately think that a relatively small but overwhelmingly leftist proportion of the userbase leaving had a very negative effect both on actual discourse, and on what third-parties find productive to push there.
Yeah, The Old Place literally is beginning to feel like Facebook. A bot reposts some rage bait and a million oblivious commentors eat it up.
I hear you, but I also believe that the balance you describe is size-independent. If the fediverse consisted of only three people, and one was an asshole, what’s to gain from allowing that asshole to run rampant on your platform if you’re trying to attract non-assholes to your anti-asshole platform? There is no scenario where that doesn’t lead to burnout.
Beehaw.org is a good example of an instance that defederated basically every other large instance and their users seem very happy about it.
And if someone actually wanted to doomscroll and look at shitposts (I don’t get it but they do exist)… they’ll eventually just go to reddit or twitter where that experience will always be superior.
Beehaw to me seems like forced positivity.
I mean, the amount of media on a platform one consumes certainly adjusts the amount of bullshit on a platform one is willing to endure. I don’t think it’s size-independent.
The problem is that its not just “tankies” but everything that slightly inconveniences an instance get blocked. I really dont want to use 3 different instances because one decides they don’t like anime, the other decides they dont like birds, then another one doesn’t like the color blue and bans anything that has blue.
I wish the federation was left to the users and only illegal stuff is banned. This maybe an unpopular opinion but i agree that all the federation blocking is killing what is already a tiny community.
And on top of that, some instances hand out bans for complete bullshit reasons. It’s not even just the tankie instances that ban you for not being a bootlicker, but also admins that can’t tell the difference between normal, innocuous behavior and automated vote manipulation, hacked accounts and the like and err on the side of banning.