- cross-posted to:
- linuxphones@lemmy.ca
- cross-posted to:
- linuxphones@lemmy.ca
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Convince me this won’t have a built in backdoor and/or automatically scan your photos looking for “suspicious” content (for the children, of course).
If European laws mandate this then this “european” phone will of course do it. That’s what you get when asking for “digital sovereignty” - instead of tech corporations serving interests of US government you have tech corporations serving interests of European governments.
Well a stronger version of digital sovereignty that requires open source with appropriate governance and appropriate licensing could also mean serving every user’s interests.
Of course interests of the European governments also probably align much better overall with the interests of European citizens than the US government interests and they can be influenced much more by European citizens democratically.
Open source? One that’s developed by people all over the world, including US, China and Russia? And Linux, whose lead maintainer is an American citizen, and which is developed in the large part by US and Chinese corporations? Doesn’t sound very sovereign to me.
I mean I did not even specify any particular open source project that you could infer any particular nationalities developing from so it’s pretty bad faith trying to straw man me like this. Furthermore you seem to have completely misunderstood what I was saying.
My point is that “sovereignty” implies ownership and specific jurisdiction. You can’t just take any open source project and say that you are “sovereign”. It would only make sense if that project accepts only European contributors and vets them.
Open source does not imply “european”.
I of course did not say you can, I listed open source as merely one requirement for a certain kind of sovereignty. If you really wanted to limit it to european contributors that would be covered by “governance” but I take the view that it is not the case that you need to have every single contributor subject to a certain jurisdiction in order to achieve sovereignty so my governance requirements would be more about ensuring that the development and decisionmaking process is not and cannot be controlled by a foreign entity for example.
One part of this discussion is in fact about what exactly we mean by digital sovereignty as it is not a fully established term and the way “sovereignty” is used in other contexts is not necessarily the right one or even give a complete definition that would work here.
I would also add that we should look at it as more of a spectrum than a binary because it’s probably impossible to at once come up with software and services for every single purpose that satisfies the ideal criteria. Some projects will get us closer to sovereignty than others. Proprietary software is unlikely to get us very close at all unless it is government-owned as anything short of that means it could be transferred to a US entity at any point in time.
Of course one would have to trust Jolla. But then again, isn’t that always the case for everything that isn’t 100% open source? And even then, there could be compromised code somewhere. SFOS is in use for many years, there is an active community around it but the closed source parts of the OS, including hardware vendor drivers, are, well, closed source.
But then that’s just it. Whom do we want to trust? There is no 100% open source phone and SFOS seems the only persistent Linux-based OS for phones around.
I am planning to buy myself a Jolla phone later this year.
Planning to use it in parallel with my Android phone, I want to prep for switching off Android.
Banking apps and eGovernment apps is going to be a massive issue. I am really hoping there will be a big push in Europe to adopt SailfishOS.
It says it’ll support android apps through a compatability layer.
I highly doubt banking and eGov apps will work through the compatibility layer. But that’s why I want to try using both phones in parallel; to find how to best manage the transition.
Let us know how it goes. I’d love one, but I’m not in the EU.
Maybe jolla can finally afford to repay those that backed its failed tablet.
The ringtones would either be the best or the worst thing you’ve ever heard, no in between.
Wonder if I will ever witness a joint effort of the EU to support a European solution to Smartphones and OS.
Can someone explain to me the improvement in regards to volla Phone or Fairphone?
it’s the OS mainly, not Android and a first party device from the European company that makes it.
But dont do the other phones that as well?
Both Volla and Fairphone are still mainly Android phones but they do offer some level of support for alternative operating systems. In Jolla’s case the device is intended to be used with Sailfish and your money from buying it goes directly to the company that is developing Sailfish.
Ah okay the specificity!
Thank you!
Just did a quick search… Is the OS really subscription based?
OS is free, you can subscribe as a donation method.
https://commerce.jolla.com/products/sailfish-os-voluntary-subscription
