I believe that, under capitalism, money is power.

Yeah

I believe that the more money you have, the easier it is to make more money.

Yeah

I believe that almost anyone with any power would be willing to use that power to benefit themselves.

I guess? Seems kinda vague, like yeah people will do what they can for their own self interest, but there are exceptions and limits I think.

I believe that both mainstream political parties in the US have been nearly completely captured by the extremely wealthy.

Yeah, but I think change is possible, and even barring change, sometimes enough pressure can move them on certain issues.

I believe that the mainstream media serve the interests of the extremely wealthy.

Generally yeah

I believe that the extremely wealthy have an outsized influence over independent media and social media platforms.

Yeah

I believe that the extremely wealthy generally prefer fascism to socialism, because socialism threatens their class interests (i.e. their ability to accumulate and hoard wealth, and therefore power)

Yeah

If you try your best to tell the truth instead of lying

Now see, that doesn’t seem like such a nice-guy good faith thing to say. I haven’t been lying, and I don’t appreciate you purporting that.

But okay, sure, I mean I wish we could have started with “hold back on personal attacks, don’t misrepresent my positions, or strawman my arguments,” don’t know why that wasn’t an option, but let’s go.

what do you do for work?

Unskilled labor, retail. That’s it. There are thousands of different jobs in different industries that are largely identical to mine, because I deal with customers. No, we don’t have a union.

why would I continue to discuss with you in good faith at this point?

Because you said you wanted to understand?

You are so obviously arguing in bad faith

Sorry buddy but that’s just me matching your energy, you couldn’t even go one reply in good faith. I matched your good faith energy when I got to that portion of your reply, and you immediately call foul. Now that seems like bad faith.

You have no points. You are wrong. If you self-reflect, you’d KNOW you’re wrong

mhmm right, everyone you disagree with obviously knows they are wrong but just won’t admit it.

You know how Trump supporters refuse to confront reality because they’re so deep in denial? That’s you. 100%.

Wow so because I disagree with you… I’m some kind of… Blue MAGA? How original, definitely not a thought terminating cliche.

That’s ableist honey

I am trying to have a good faith discussion with you

Sorry bud you don’t get to pull “good faith” because you later admit that things have improved. If you want to have a discussion then maybe open with “yeah some things have improved” instead of denying it until it’s inconvenient. Well actually you opened with “Lmfao you are such a shitlib” so forgive me if you’ve now decided to be less of a cunt.

Literally nobody in a blue collar job says this

Sorry for not posting personal information, buddy.

So you agree that Democrats have not consistently gotten worse on every issue then? And therefore both evils are not getting more evil over time?

If you really want a good faith discussion, stop making assumptions about why I disagree with you and address my points.

Things have been consistently getting worse since the '70s at least.

Well, except the acceptance of queer people, of course. Women’s lib is also much more widely accepted, if we’re going that far back.

Sure, some things have improved, nobody is denying that

Nobody except you?

The thing is, the stuff that has improved is like +5 improvement, and the things that have gotten worse is like -100.

I don’t disagree.

I want to go back a step, and try to understand you here. What do you do for work?

I do unskilled labor.

There’s no way you can be serious. How sheltered are you?

How sheltered are YOU? America is a conservative country and things change slowly, but they do change. Some thing have improved in my lifetime, I don’t think that’s a controversial statement. Just because capitalism hasn’t been completely overthrown yet doesn’t mean there is no change.

and both evils become more evil over time

Has that actually happened though? There are certainly many issues Democrats have been improving on since Clinton.

The Democrats lost because they were genocidal

Irrelevant, I don’t care why they lost, I’m asserting that they would have been better. Thank you for your soapbox though.

The Democrats are to blame for that, for being genocidal, not voters who refused to support genocide

Sure, but those voters are also to blame for the non-genocide issues which get worse when the Democrats lose.

Do you want genocide? If not, you cannot in good conscious vote for a genocidal candidate. If you vote for genocide, and genocide happens, you got what you voted for.

This is simplistic thinking which ignores the reality of the situation. The only thing a voter can do in a general election is pick the party that more closely aligns with their values, that does not mean ALL of the party’s values are the voters, but simply the more palatable one.

So yeah, genocide sucks, but not doing your electoral part means all the extra bullshit Republicans do[1] is what you voted when you abstain.

1: since clearly the people who have problems with what I say don’t care about minorities being harassed, kidnapped, and killed, I’ll keep it simple with “doing nothing about the climate catastrophe” and “being egregiously pro-business/anti-consumer,” maybe with a side of “overwhelmingly anti-labor.”

Don’t like it? Take it up with the DNC.

Oh thank you for asking, I have actually.

Yes, assuming Democrats and Republicans have 100% identical foreign policy, and the only difference is less oppression on marginalized groups, why does that not make them the clear superior choice in a two party election? Why are you willing to let more suffering happen because the lesser evil isn’t lesser enough?

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What is BlueMAGA then?

They’re not worse, the lives of marginalized groups are markedly worse since the start of Trump’s second term. Do those lives not matter?

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They are the exact same party

Except they clearly aren’t, if you cannot recognize that Democrats are literally not as bad as Republicans, you’re living outside reality.