Comment and thread in question: https://lemmy.world/comment/23138585
Ban from that community, memes@lemmy.ml:
Rule 1 of said community: Be civil and nice.
Rule 1 of said instance: No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia. Code of Conduct.
I was clearly not bigoted in any manner, and I believe more civil than the way I was treated, was it the Code of Conduct? Excerpts:
Please be kind and courteous. There’s no need to be mean or rude.
Respect that people have differences of opinion and that every design or implementation choice carries a trade-off and numerous costs. There is seldom a right answer.
I think I was kind with the people I disagreed with, even if they could not be in return, yet those comments (some including ableist slurs) remain. I think this is enough to demonstrate it is merely a difference in ideology which motivated the ban. Well, bans, because it seems they copied and pasted the same ban in all the communities they have access to:
It’s not a general lemmy.ml ban, just those in particular.
I understand this kind of behavior in safe space communities that don’t want outsiders bellyaching about the pragmatism of electoral politics, but that’s not the case in any of the communities I’ve been banned from, nor is it a part of the instance rules or CoC.
PTB or triggered shitlib? Not an exclusive or, of course.
you coming here to expect people to be on your side and it’s going horribly also. you pathetic libs are just as bad as the conservatives. you uphold the same systems and parties that enable this shit to happen.
DNC are subhuman trash that promote zionist supremacist first rule over the US for 90% of their candidates. True demonic evil that also serves corporatist/oligarchist power. GOP are far worse. Total zionist supremacists with added focus of Zionist first christofascism and white supremacism. Corporatist/Oligarchist supremacism is even stronger than incumbent power protection. All in on dead ender climate terrorist energy, and overt war goals to increase oil profits in complete lockstep with deranged lunatic in chief.
There absolutely is a big difference in voting block power, and in minimizing the oppression level of Americans. You should still vote for the lesser subhuman demonic zionazi evil.
There is strong potential for primary campaigns to oppose Israel supremacism of candidates, and even if opponents get 100x more funding, their demonic zionazi allegiances could theoretically harm their vote totals.
What did you expect by going to .ml instance and try to set a point that goes against the community’s ideology? You thought you’d change their minds? Convert them?
To put it simply, what would you expect to happen if you would go to Star Wars forum and told them that Star Wars is shit and Star Trek is better?
They like many others wanted to get banned to show how terrible it is they won’t allow op to be awful to others
After seeing your reactions to mild criticism to millionaires who don’t care about you, you deserve more. Fuck off you diet fascist.
Edit: VGA, if you’re going to downvote everyone here, you could explain why you think people are wrong.
I think this thread is a great example of what not to do in this community. Rather than discuss whether or not the ban was warranted for breaking a listed rule (which in this case was an obvious PTB, they didn’t break any rule and got banned from unrelated communities), half the people here simply devolved into attacking OP for their beliefs and ultimately banning them for defending themselves, even after they apologized and attempted to be civil. That’s not what this place is for, and the mods have said as much before.
They didn’t apologize for calling people Nazis, or for sexually harassing me either.
Are you referring to them calling you “honey”? I would think that’s them being a condescending dick, not sexually harassing you. Regardless, I don’t see why they would apologize to you in particular given how hostile and a self-proclaimed “jerk” you were to them.
Scratched liberal, what a shock that they’re so fascist.
The amount of neo-liberals/liberals on Lemmy actually surprises me. Like, most of these communities are apparent in their disdain for them and that’s putting it mildly. I’m personally tired of all the apologia they get from people on here. Less harm is still harm, lesser evil is still evil, less fascist is fascist.
OP got banned from this community for “Bad jacketing and electoralism”, and while I aint reading 125 comments to see bad jacketing, including electorialism as a ban reason is wild af.
Regardless if PTB or YDI, I think grass touching might be in order for multiple parties here for taking online politics LARP too seriously. It’s a beautiful spring weather, perfect for a walk.
What is bad jacketing?
they were calling people who they think didn’t vote nazis. seems like a pretty good reason to ban someone. they were also banned from AN because they wouldn’t stop calling me honey.
all in all, a rather unpleasant liberal, who was given the chance to find posting opportunities elsewhere.
Look I’m not saying op was right but like at some point we have to acknowledge the elephant in the room. The non-voters/moderates/apolitical/silent majority/whatever the fuck you want to refer to them as is always simultaneously the biggest roadblock to progress and the biggest enabler of authoritarianism. Read and listen to what former Nazis had to say on the subject, listen to the survivors of their attrocities who were the moderate/apolitical group until authoritarianism kicked in their own personal door.
Exactly. And especially so when its “Dems are just as bad”.
No they the fucknare not.
Dems suck ass, but there is absolutely ZERO path towards progressive policy and a net positive through the GOP. Zero. They are an agressive, regrrssive, boat anchor, dragging everyone and everything backwards. Dems at least pay fucking lip service to and throw a bone to progressive policies. A bone that can be turned into a seed for actual positive change.
The GOP would rather grind thst shit to dust and tell you id doesn’t exist.
Dems suck ass, but there is absolutely ZERO path towards progressive policy and a net positive through the GOP. Zero.
And what progressive policies have we had with them in office?
No they the fucknare not
Tell us you have no idea what happens outside of the US without telling us you’re an uneducated American who has buried their head in the sand to avoid thinking about how the democratic party has a long history of supporting human rights abuses in Asia.
Yup. If two rapists walk up to me and tell me to choose between them, I’m choosing the one who will give me medical care, education, improved economy for the working class instead of investing class, public infrastructure, nature preservation, and a tease of corporate regulations instead of the one who will empty my wallet and return nothing. Either way we’re getting fucked, may as well get fucked like an old housewife instead of a slave.
Here’s a thought. Throw the rapists out and elect somebody who isn’t a rapist, you fucking weirdos.
Voting for Democrats is not voting for success. IDK why we have to keep telling people that. At the very best, voting Dem is a vote for maintaining the decades of fascism and civil rights abuses by them. It’s a vote for the status quo, even at the best of times and during the best years. Usually, however, voting for the Dems is voting for the erosion of civil rights, genocide and human rights abuses in Asia, and the proliferation of corporate and Israeli control over the nation. They aren’t the “lesser of two evils”, they ARE the same evil, and anyone who says otherwise is an entitled white person who doesn’t have to live through the human rights abuse they gleefully take part in.
The only difference between them and Trump is that finally, Americans like you are having to actually live through the shit you put the rest of the world through. Hopefully you reflect on the experience and see what a horrible country you live in, and actually start voting for somebody who will change that.
I highly doubt that though.
So you don’t live in America but you somehow know exactly what it’s like to live there under every variable across every administration? Congratulations, you are as American as the most devout maga.
I do live in America. I was born here. But I have no loyalty to this fetid country. So you’re right, I don’t consider myself American. I would never willingly associate with such a murderous terror regime.
It took me too long to get this, but man when I did, I was fuming. People like to point the positive of what Dems may do but I point out what negatives they OFTEN do. Biden was pro police, bipartisan, even said we NEEDED republicans. “Both sides” he called it. I’m done compromising my morals for fetid waste that is the Democrat party. Does the vote blaming carry over through most of Lemmy because if so, I have about 6 accounts I haven’t blocked I need to report.
PTB. The Democrats are better than the Republicans, but the tankies at ml don’t want you to think so. Being a leftist is a bannable offence at the tankie triad.
Well, there’s a problem here. Problems
First is that I suspect there was both a community and instance ban since the timing is more or less instant on the c/s that aren’t the one where the comment was from. You’re also tagged as being both instance and community banned in that community when viewed via browser.
So, the extra c/s aren’t useful for PTB purposes since an instance ban does that. It comes up a lot.
Anyway, it’s .ml, so there’s also the fact that it’s kinda like jumping into a pool you’ve seen someone pissing in, then complaining about the urine content. Yeah, there’s a lot of PTB and ptb-like modding there. However, it also tends to happen on very well known lines, so there’s a factor where making any political comment that isn’t 100% toeing the line is partially on the user. They’re absolutely zealots regarding some subjects, so if you engage on those subjects, you can’t complain much about the ban coming.
Since it’s a temp ban, which is gentle from .ml, I’m more surprised about that than a mod there issuing a ban over a democrat defense.
Is it still bullshit that you can get banned for an otherwise on topic and politely phrased political view on a thread under a political post? Absolutely. And you should likely block the instance and be done with them rather than engage again once the ban is over. This is regular there, and expecting otherwise just isn’t realistic.
So, yeah, PTB. But also, your comments there amount to rage baiting for that instance, even though I don’t think that was your intent.
You’re also tagged as being both instance and community banned in that community when viewed via browser.
That cannot be true, the largest .ml community I can see, privacy@lemmy.ml, allows me to vote, post, and comment.
your comments there amount to rage baiting for that instance
I think that’s absurd, given the CoC. I mean, it’s clearly an “ought vs is” thing, I get that, but still a complete joke.
lemmy.ml is an instance well-known for being, shall we say… unreasonable when it comes to politics.
The admins and a large portion of the user base are tankies— people who claim to be extreme leftists/communists but really worship the likes of Stalin, Xi and the oppressive authoritarian government of regimes, such as the Soviet Union, China, and North Korea. They are very much intolerant any criticism whatsoever or anyone else’s political views. Unfortunately, the administrators of that instance are also the main developers for Lemmy itself.
This is why
the code has been forked to another platformalternatives to lemmy have been developed, such as PieFed, which is federated and interoperates with Lemmy, and is not dependent on the crazy ass developers. It also has better mod and admin features. but even if you don’t wanna switch to PieFed, you can at least avoid communities on Lemmy.ml. I have the whole instance blocked.Piefed isn’t a fork, it’s a completely different piece of software using the same protocol.
I don’t think the Lemmy Devs have much to do with the bans on that server, it’s mostly the community mods.
Dessalines does bans like this all the time.
I’ve said before that if Dessalines spent half as much time developing the platform instead of banning people for wrongthink, Lemmy would be a much better platform.
Lemmy donations are a scam. People give them all that money, and they use the money to hire full time developers, who spend all day banning people instead of writing code.
I’m not sure where I heard it was a fork, but I’m obviously misremembering.
fixed
It’s an easy mistake to make, I only know they’re different because piefed is python while Lemmy is rust.
piefed is not a fork, it’s a completely different codebase. with plenty of its own problems.
oh, my mistake. with a quick google, I see that it’s python, not rust, so yeah, obviously not a fork. my mistake!
did you also see the opinionated parts? if you enable the default filter list piefed hides all meme and 4chan communities and enables built in image recognition specifically to prevent people from posting greentexts. it also keeps an internal tally of user “quality” based on what communities they post in.
truly everything is political.
I thought that was more limited to lemmygrad, sad to see.
oh, no… lemmygrad is just much, much worse. also avoid hexbear. it’s like lemmygrad x 4chan
Yeah just avoid communities on that instance and you’ll be fine.
I’ve mostly blocked .ml instances. They’re super toxic and not really open to discussion at all. I wouldn’t worry about it too much.
Here’s your medal for being banned from .ml:
You can get it in 2 and 5 too, they tend to stack up.
.ml
There’s your answer
Guy came here to complain about how he was banned for electoralist garbage and he ended up getting banned for electoralist apologia. YDM troll.
I have never missed lemmy dot ml. I blocked the instance at the first sign of reddit behavior.
It’s dot ml communities. Fuckem.
