Using Uber/Lyft is far easier and more convenient for all parties involved. (Not saying that equates to morally good though)
Using AirBNB for people to vacation in or whatever is a much better experience potentially for a tenant then the sub-par standards of hotels.
Cryptocurreny provides freedom of exchange in a digital way while still having an overall ledger to prevent fraud. (Doesn’t stop people from getting scammed but the same is true for cash)
Copyright laws basically always majorly benefit the corporation who owns it rather then an individual who actually created the thing. I also was a pirate in my younger years and in general believe information should be free and peoples needs should be met so they don’t have to necessarily try to profit off what should be an artistic expression.
I don’t think AI will actually replace creativity, some will use it to churn out garbage but that was already true for existing tools for whatever art form you might prefer. A simple example is electronic music, a lot of musicians look down on electronic music artists because it’s not “real music”.
Edit: Fundamentally the issue/complaints from many are the user experience AND the problems with the corporations doing shitty corp stuff. I feel zero empathy for the prior companies that didn’t innovate at all and let their monopoly power print them money at the expense of the customer via corporate lobbying and such, however I’m under no illusion that the replacements are any better aside from their user experience lmao.
How does the flavoraid taste? You’re drinking straight from the pitcher it seems, because most of your arguments aren’t rooted in reality.
Using Uber/Lyft is far easier and more convenient for all parties involved
Except if anything happens, then they find all sorts of loopholes to try to get out of it since they’re not a cab company. Any more, the cab companies have updated their methods and are trying to compete with the rideshare apps (at least around me)
Using AirBNB for people to vacation in or whatever is a much better experience potentially for a tenant then the sub-par standards of hotels.
AHAHAHAHA, have you not tried AirBNB since 2020? Hotels are cheaper, don’t have bullshit cleanup fees, and you never have to worry about freaky shit happening with the owner.
Cryptocurreny provides freedom of exchange in a digital way while still having an overall ledger to prevent fraud
Yeah, this is just so laughable I don’t even really want to respond to it. Ask the people who get their keyphrase stolen how easy it is to get their money back when it gets stolen. Come back to me when crypto can actually prevent and reverse fraud. I don’t expect to hear from you again lol.
I don’t think AI will actually replace creativity, some will use it to churn out garbage but that was already true for existing tools for whatever art form you might prefer.
This is far from the worst problem with AI, well after the issues with hallucinations, poisoning the internet/search engines, and the environmental effects.
My arguments are rooted in personal experience, on mobile at work so formatting is gonna be a little rough.
“Except if anything happens, then they find all sorts of loopholes to try to get out of it”
Like what?
“AHAHAHAHA, have you not tried AirBNB since 2020? Hotels are cheaper, don’t have bullshit cleanup fees, and you never have to worry about freaky shit happening with the owner.”
They absolutely have bullshit cleanup fees, and aren’t exactly cheap. Also there have been many many examples of hotels doing freaky shit lmao. (Edit: I will say I’ve never been charged a cleanup fee, but I worked service industry so I always make it as easy as possible for housekeeping.)
“Ask the people who get their keyphrase stolen how easy it is to get their money back when it gets stolen. Come back to me when crypto can actually prevent and reverse fraud. I don’t expect to hear from you again lol.”
So how is that any different from getting scammed via cash or mugged in person? Can you magically reverse the mugging and get your cash back?
I see this argument made by antj-crypto people all the time but it’s never once been said (in fact I literally said it doesn’t prevent scamming because it’s like cash yet you still strawmanned my argument)
“This is far from the worst problem with AI, well after the issues with hallucinations, poisoning the internet/search engines, and the environmental effects.”
Good thing people always act logically and never misunderstand or hallucinate, SEO gaming definitely wasn’t a major problem before LLMs right?
Environmental issues I agree, though people do not understand where the energy usage actually occurs, It’s when models are trained now when just interacting with an LLM (I locally host my own and can literally see how much power it uses while being loaded at all times and it’s pretty negligible, less then when gaming.)
There absolutely needs to be regulation put in place though to force AI companies to build out clean energy sources and I’d even argue need to contribute back to the overall power grid of their area.
I’m open to changing my mind if you want to have an actual discussion on any of these points, but I doubt that given your attitude.
My opinions are rooted in personal experience as well, so we can cancel out each other there. That said, I highly doubt you’re willing to change your mind, based on what I’ve seen. I’ll reply here, but I doubt you’re going to change my opinion on that and respond to you again.
“Except if anything happens, then they find all sorts of loopholes to try to get out of it”
Like what?
You mean aside from the sexual assault allegations against their drivers where they argue they aren’t liable for what their driver did while engaging in ride shares for them because they’re not employees? And let’s not even acknowledge that these companies knew what was happening and chose not to do anything about it because it would impact profits.
So how is that any different from getting scammed via cash or mugged in person?
Hahahaha, you claim this argument is a straw man while using the most straw man analogy.
Crypto robbery is very different from cash robbery in a very obvious and meaningful way that makes it obvious why it’s a straw man:
I can’t get robbed of my cash from the other side of the world. Crypto can, and pretending it’s anything like cash is a joke.
Can you magically reverse the mugging and get your cash back?
If I get mugged in person, there’s a chance to escape or find the robber and get the money back. Good luck getting Boris in Moscow to give your money back, assuming you find him.
I see this argument made by antj-crypto people all the time but it’s never once been said (in fact I literally said it doesn’t prevent scamming because it’s like cash yet you still strawmanned my argument)
Respectfully, the caveat you included is disingenuous at the very best, and outright invalidates the point you’re trying to make at worst.
Saying crypto is like cash when it comes to scams is like comparing modern fighter jets to WWI fighters. Would you call it a straw man to say “They both shoot down enemy aircraft”? Because that’s what I hear when you say both cash and crypto can both be used for scams.
Like, I’m not arguing cash can’t be used for scams, but you can’t honestly tell me it isn:t easier to get scammed out money and more of it with crypto than cash.
Good thing people always act logically and never misunderstand or hallucinate, SEO gaming definitely wasn’t a major problem before LLMs right?
Damn, guess we should turbo charge our fuckups with AI since humans sometimes make mistakes.
I honestly wish you clanker apologists would come up with a better argument in defense of the bullshit machine other than ‘humans fuckup too’, as if that line of reasoning wasn’t a point against your argument.
I literally said it doesn’t prevent scamming just like cash. Did people abhor cash because if you got scammed you couldn’t just get it back by asking the bank? (Which also is not really the only thing that can happen btw, sometimes banks just take the hit if it’s already been withdrawn or similar and choose to make you whole or not) My father had his bank account drained twice because of Zelle malware and the bank nearly didn’t give him his money back the second time.
The overall supply of most crypto is known, and unless it’s a privacy chain transactions are generally visible on the network rather then being completely hidden from view like other currencies.
I literally said it doesn’t prevent scamming just like cash.
You claimed crypto is immune to fraud.
I then showed how old fashion credit card is better. I didn’t say cash.
My father had his bank account drained twice
My nephew lost all his crypto to malware.
Your father’s bank “nearly” didn’t refund but actually did. So you proved that banks provide safety. Credit cards provide even stronger safety between you and businesses. My nephew’s crypto was gone with absolutely no recourse.
The overall supply of most crypto is known
That has absolutely nothing to do with fraud or losing your crypto to malware.
So I consider fraud and scamming to be a bit different, but maybe I’m just being pedantic or misusing the word.
Moreso what I meant was things like literally printing money isn’t possible outside of how the coin functions (assuming no bugs lol) and the global supply and such are known values that can be backed up.
Compare that to the opaqueness of the US banking system where things like bank runs can and do happen because money is essentially duplicated via things like loans backed only by promises rather then literally tied into the functionality of the currency itself.
On the bank point, there’s no reason an authority of sorts couldn’t do the same thing with crypto, they had to take the hit for the lost money as it was already gone, just like what can happen with crypto. I’m sorry your nephew lost his funds due to malware, however I’d argue they likely didn’t take proper protections. For example we know things like card skimmers exist and you have to take actions to prevent those things from impacting you as well.
On your last point, hopefully I explained a bit more why, to me, it does relate to fraud, but yes it doesn’t have anything to do with malware, nor did I claim it did.
But going back to the malware point, that’s no different from getting mugged and losing your life savings because you kept all your cash on you. It sucks to get mugged but it’s “common sense” not to carry all of your cash on you at a time, while it’s not yet common sense for people who hardly understand the idea of crypto as to how they can/should secure their keys or distribute across multiple wallets potentially to guard against that.
People aren’t defending those things. They’re pointing out how these replacements are so much worse.
The replacements aren’t actually worse though.
Using Uber/Lyft is far easier and more convenient for all parties involved. (Not saying that equates to morally good though)
Using AirBNB for people to vacation in or whatever is a much better experience potentially for a tenant then the sub-par standards of hotels.
Cryptocurreny provides freedom of exchange in a digital way while still having an overall ledger to prevent fraud. (Doesn’t stop people from getting scammed but the same is true for cash)
Copyright laws basically always majorly benefit the corporation who owns it rather then an individual who actually created the thing. I also was a pirate in my younger years and in general believe information should be free and peoples needs should be met so they don’t have to necessarily try to profit off what should be an artistic expression.
I don’t think AI will actually replace creativity, some will use it to churn out garbage but that was already true for existing tools for whatever art form you might prefer. A simple example is electronic music, a lot of musicians look down on electronic music artists because it’s not “real music”.
Edit: Fundamentally the issue/complaints from many are the user experience AND the problems with the corporations doing shitty corp stuff. I feel zero empathy for the prior companies that didn’t innovate at all and let their monopoly power print them money at the expense of the customer via corporate lobbying and such, however I’m under no illusion that the replacements are any better aside from their user experience lmao.
How does the flavoraid taste? You’re drinking straight from the pitcher it seems, because most of your arguments aren’t rooted in reality.
Except if anything happens, then they find all sorts of loopholes to try to get out of it since they’re not a cab company. Any more, the cab companies have updated their methods and are trying to compete with the rideshare apps (at least around me)
AHAHAHAHA, have you not tried AirBNB since 2020? Hotels are cheaper, don’t have bullshit cleanup fees, and you never have to worry about freaky shit happening with the owner.
Yeah, this is just so laughable I don’t even really want to respond to it. Ask the people who get their keyphrase stolen how easy it is to get their money back when it gets stolen. Come back to me when crypto can actually prevent and reverse fraud. I don’t expect to hear from you again lol.
This is far from the worst problem with AI, well after the issues with hallucinations, poisoning the internet/search engines, and the environmental effects.
My arguments are rooted in personal experience, on mobile at work so formatting is gonna be a little rough.
“Except if anything happens, then they find all sorts of loopholes to try to get out of it” Like what?
“AHAHAHAHA, have you not tried AirBNB since 2020? Hotels are cheaper, don’t have bullshit cleanup fees, and you never have to worry about freaky shit happening with the owner.” They absolutely have bullshit cleanup fees, and aren’t exactly cheap. Also there have been many many examples of hotels doing freaky shit lmao. (Edit: I will say I’ve never been charged a cleanup fee, but I worked service industry so I always make it as easy as possible for housekeeping.)
“Ask the people who get their keyphrase stolen how easy it is to get their money back when it gets stolen. Come back to me when crypto can actually prevent and reverse fraud. I don’t expect to hear from you again lol.” So how is that any different from getting scammed via cash or mugged in person? Can you magically reverse the mugging and get your cash back? I see this argument made by antj-crypto people all the time but it’s never once been said (in fact I literally said it doesn’t prevent scamming because it’s like cash yet you still strawmanned my argument)
“This is far from the worst problem with AI, well after the issues with hallucinations, poisoning the internet/search engines, and the environmental effects.” Good thing people always act logically and never misunderstand or hallucinate, SEO gaming definitely wasn’t a major problem before LLMs right?
Environmental issues I agree, though people do not understand where the energy usage actually occurs, It’s when models are trained now when just interacting with an LLM (I locally host my own and can literally see how much power it uses while being loaded at all times and it’s pretty negligible, less then when gaming.)
There absolutely needs to be regulation put in place though to force AI companies to build out clean energy sources and I’d even argue need to contribute back to the overall power grid of their area.
I’m open to changing my mind if you want to have an actual discussion on any of these points, but I doubt that given your attitude.
My opinions are rooted in personal experience as well, so we can cancel out each other there. That said, I highly doubt you’re willing to change your mind, based on what I’ve seen. I’ll reply here, but I doubt you’re going to change my opinion on that and respond to you again.
You mean aside from the sexual assault allegations against their drivers where they argue they aren’t liable for what their driver did while engaging in ride shares for them because they’re not employees? And let’s not even acknowledge that these companies knew what was happening and chose not to do anything about it because it would impact profits.
Hahahaha, you claim this argument is a straw man while using the most straw man analogy.
Crypto robbery is very different from cash robbery in a very obvious and meaningful way that makes it obvious why it’s a straw man:
I can’t get robbed of my cash from the other side of the world. Crypto can, and pretending it’s anything like cash is a joke.
If I get mugged in person, there’s a chance to escape or find the robber and get the money back. Good luck getting Boris in Moscow to give your money back, assuming you find him.
Respectfully, the caveat you included is disingenuous at the very best, and outright invalidates the point you’re trying to make at worst.
Saying crypto is like cash when it comes to scams is like comparing modern fighter jets to WWI fighters. Would you call it a straw man to say “They both shoot down enemy aircraft”? Because that’s what I hear when you say both cash and crypto can both be used for scams.
Like, I’m not arguing cash can’t be used for scams, but you can’t honestly tell me it isn:t easier to get scammed out money and more of it with crypto than cash.
Damn, guess we should turbo charge our fuckups with AI since humans sometimes make mistakes.
I honestly wish you clanker apologists would come up with a better argument in defense of the bullshit machine other than ‘humans fuckup too’, as if that line of reasoning wasn’t a point against your argument.
That’s not crypto.
If you get scammed using an old fashioned credit card, the credit card company yoinks your money back for you from the scammer.
If you transfer crypto it’s gone.
I literally said it doesn’t prevent scamming just like cash. Did people abhor cash because if you got scammed you couldn’t just get it back by asking the bank? (Which also is not really the only thing that can happen btw, sometimes banks just take the hit if it’s already been withdrawn or similar and choose to make you whole or not) My father had his bank account drained twice because of Zelle malware and the bank nearly didn’t give him his money back the second time.
The overall supply of most crypto is known, and unless it’s a privacy chain transactions are generally visible on the network rather then being completely hidden from view like other currencies.
You claimed crypto is immune to fraud.
I then showed how old fashion credit card is better. I didn’t say cash.
My nephew lost all his crypto to malware.
Your father’s bank “nearly” didn’t refund but actually did. So you proved that banks provide safety. Credit cards provide even stronger safety between you and businesses. My nephew’s crypto was gone with absolutely no recourse.
That has absolutely nothing to do with fraud or losing your crypto to malware.
So I consider fraud and scamming to be a bit different, but maybe I’m just being pedantic or misusing the word.
Moreso what I meant was things like literally printing money isn’t possible outside of how the coin functions (assuming no bugs lol) and the global supply and such are known values that can be backed up.
Compare that to the opaqueness of the US banking system where things like bank runs can and do happen because money is essentially duplicated via things like loans backed only by promises rather then literally tied into the functionality of the currency itself.
On the bank point, there’s no reason an authority of sorts couldn’t do the same thing with crypto, they had to take the hit for the lost money as it was already gone, just like what can happen with crypto. I’m sorry your nephew lost his funds due to malware, however I’d argue they likely didn’t take proper protections. For example we know things like card skimmers exist and you have to take actions to prevent those things from impacting you as well.
On your last point, hopefully I explained a bit more why, to me, it does relate to fraud, but yes it doesn’t have anything to do with malware, nor did I claim it did.
But going back to the malware point, that’s no different from getting mugged and losing your life savings because you kept all your cash on you. It sucks to get mugged but it’s “common sense” not to carry all of your cash on you at a time, while it’s not yet common sense for people who hardly understand the idea of crypto as to how they can/should secure their keys or distribute across multiple wallets potentially to guard against that.