Say no to ableism.

  • MeetMeAtTheMovies [they/them]@hexbear.net
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    3 hours ago

    Could you point me to some reading on uses of AI for disabled people? I’m familiar with a variety of aids and the general idea of “if it looks useless, it’s not for you to use”. I’m just not familiar with what the use cases are.

      • ExistentialNightmare@lemmygrad.ml
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        5 hours ago

        For what it’s worth, you are in the right here. AI is not inherently bad, it is the existence of capitalism which makes it be used for exploitation.

        Under socialism, it would be utilised for the benefit of society, and if AI can exist, it will inevitably exist therefore anyone who talks of eridicating AI is promoting silly utopic ideas. I’d prefer for it to be strictly limited to minimalising annoying, monotonous labour and service industies including of course, assisting the disabled.

        However I will say you’ll have an easier time convcining others of this if you argue your point without insults, as they are less likely to listen if you do. I’m actually curious, if you don’t mind disclosing that is, what do you use AI for in regards to helping you with your disability?

        • MeetMeAtTheMovies [they/them]@hexbear.net
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          3 hours ago

          if AI can exist, it will inevitably exist

          Unrelated to the question of ableism, this specifically logic that’s pushed by tech companies in general, that their decisions were inevitable and therefore there is no point in questioning them.

          Look at how modern LLMs work. They’re trained in large data centers owned by private companies using giant corpuses of data that were largely obtained without the permission or knowledge of the people who created it. Then, to use them, the weights are loaded into an amount of memory that’s out of reach for most consumer desktops and users must call into the LLM using an API. Working memory of a conversation doesn’t persist in between messages or tool calls, so the entire history must be loaded into its context window on every call. In other words, all the “learning” for these models must take place up front in training and outside of taking context into account, it doesn’t actually adjust to learn new things about the world. There are workarounds for this, of course, to simulate the experience of interacting with something that can learn, but they have their limitations and aren’t reliable yet. I could go on. Running probabilistic process on deterministic hardware is an area that we may see more work on soon.

          Every single step of that description had alternatives that would be more likely to be chosen outside of a capitalist system. They could be more eco friendly. They could be more efficient. They could be more powerful and learn from your interactions in way that persists. And a lot of these changes would delay the exposure of LLMs to the general public and see them spending longer in academia. But that would be okay because we wouldn’t have the profit motive at the center of this inflating a giant bubble that’s poised to pop and flatten the economy. Bottom line is this stuff was pushed out and hyped up well before it was ready and well before it was able to be scaled up ethically and with the working class in mind. None of this was inevitable.

          • ExistentialNightmare@lemmygrad.ml
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            2 hours ago

            That was a great read, genuinely a hell of a comment but you misunderstand mine, I did not mean inevitable in that way, I just meant the general existence of it as a technology was inevitable. We agree as far as I can tell.

  • macniel@feddit.org
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    8 hours ago

    Say no to ableism.

    Say no to Clankers in general (they also really love to play the disabled card.)

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          3 hours ago

          So? Disabled people aren’t magically excused from abhorrent behavior simply because they’re disabled. Is it easier for some disabled people to create art with AI than without it? Sure. But that’s true irrespective of disability.

          It’s only inappropriate to judge someone for something that directly relates to their disability. You’re just using disability as an excuse to churn out slop.

          I cannot think of a single disability that would prevent someone from creating art without AI, without also disabling them so completely that they would be able to create art with AI. A quadriplegic person can create art if they want. And it will have infinitely more soul than some slop by someone hiding behind a disability.

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          Assuming they are disabled, which a passerby like myself cannot be expected to know, that does not excuse the deliberate choice to use ethically unsound technology. It’s especially true in this case, as even if a disability limits your potential as a visual artist, you’ll gladly commission somebody if you have any respect for the craft. I know this because I too have such a disability, and it hurts. It hurts knowing I might forever depend on the hands of others to bring some of my ideas to life, but you know what? That only strengthens my appreciation of visual artists and their work. I’d rather commission a talented artist to mix my silly brainwaves with their personal flourishes and create something meaningful, ten times over, then throw some words at an industrialized theft machine to get soulless slop.

    • calliope@piefed.blahaj.zone
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      Oh are we calling disabled people “Clankers” now?

      Haha it’s extraordinary that this drivel is the top comment. Keep up the screeching about shit you don’t understand! At least the other idiots support you.

      Dunning-Kruger and bad reading comprehension in full effect.

      What do I hear? A bullying douchebag complaining that I didn’t “mark” my edits on a federated service?

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