The issue is that Linux shouldn’t be making any attempts to handle this at all.
If the various governments are going to try and require this, they can make and maintain their own forks and accept all the responsibility and risk that entails. Or the businesses beholden to the laws can. We have no obligation to make this easier on them, and every reason to make it harder.
If various Linux (and Linux software/component) maintainers would hold the line, we’d be fine.
The godawful mess of what would come from all of these different groups scrambling to implement their own solutions would be the fucking point. The most effective way to manage upwards at people who don’t understand or want to listen is to make them feel pain for their shitty decisions.
Ok. Here’s the thing. I don’t know how linux works. I don’t know what systemd is. All I know is that all around the world we got clowns who know less about linux than I do trying to dictate the entire worldwide internet to cater to their specific geographical location, regardless of where the user is.
Then I hear systemd is openly trying to bow at the knee before these laws are even in effect.
And yes, the current system is you as a user inputting your birthday with zero verification.
But the gov of california has already said that before these laws go into effect they’ll be looking for stricter laws with checks in place. These systems are not in place now. Nor do they even know what they will turn out to be.
When asked about this, the gov said “We’re working on it.”
Then systemd comes along, ready to bend all of linux to their whims. So I put two and two together and decided this whole thing is pissing me off.
Pervasive, yes. Deeply embedded in the distros that uses it, absolutely. And I get why people don’t like binary logs, although that isn’t exactly relevant to monolithic vs pluggable.
You seem to think that I’m arguing against your opinion that systemd is bad. I’m not. I’m arguing against the false statement that it is monolithic. It isn’t. It’s modular, like the linux kernel. If you wanted to remove every component except the init system, you could. Big pain in the ass to do that, but you could.
I don’t hate systemd, but age ID verification? Risks to my privacy grossly outweigh any benefit.
It’s not age verification though. It is exactly what linux should do under the hood to handle this. Just a field.
The issue is that Linux shouldn’t be making any attempts to handle this at all.
If the various governments are going to try and require this, they can make and maintain their own forks and accept all the responsibility and risk that entails. Or the businesses beholden to the laws can. We have no obligation to make this easier on them, and every reason to make it harder.
If various Linux (and Linux software/component) maintainers would hold the line, we’d be fine.
The godawful mess of what would come from all of these different groups scrambling to implement their own solutions would be the fucking point. The most effective way to manage upwards at people who don’t understand or want to listen is to make them feel pain for their shitty decisions.
hey my birthday’s 1/1/1970 too
Absolutely. That’s not what happened though. It’s a birthdate field with no verification. The point is to show how stupid the laws are.
Don’t hate systemd for age verification
Hate systemd for its monolithic, anti-Unix design pattern
Ok. Here’s the thing. I don’t know how linux works. I don’t know what systemd is. All I know is that all around the world we got clowns who know less about linux than I do trying to dictate the entire worldwide internet to cater to their specific geographical location, regardless of where the user is.
Then I hear systemd is openly trying to bow at the knee before these laws are even in effect.
And yes, the current system is you as a user inputting your birthday with zero verification.
But the gov of california has already said that before these laws go into effect they’ll be looking for stricter laws with checks in place. These systems are not in place now. Nor do they even know what they will turn out to be.
When asked about this, the gov said “We’re working on it.”
Then systemd comes along, ready to bend all of linux to their whims. So I put two and two together and decided this whole thing is pissing me off.
Systemd isn’t monolithic, it’s a pluggable framework with a shit load of components
It replicates a lot of unix tooling poorly, bound to the Systemd framework which runs only on Linux. So, still a monolith.
That’s … not what monolithic means, in software architecture
ok so tell me why I’m waiting for networking to come up before I’m allowed to interact with my computer
Also, its monolithic as heck, its a giant squid into my networking, time management, access control…
Ontop of that… binary logs ew.
Because your distro sets up stuff weirdly? At least I never noticed networkd to be a dependency of multi-user.target, could be wrong though.
That’s all optional though, many distros just use it because it’s easier than the alternatives.
Yeah, that’s indeed stupid. No clue why they did that.
Pervasive, yes. Deeply embedded in the distros that uses it, absolutely. And I get why people don’t like binary logs, although that isn’t exactly relevant to monolithic vs pluggable.
You seem to think that I’m arguing against your opinion that systemd is bad. I’m not. I’m arguing against the false statement that it is monolithic. It isn’t. It’s modular, like the linux kernel. If you wanted to remove every component except the init system, you could. Big pain in the ass to do that, but you could.