I’m working on it. Maybe. Well, one day. Like when other Left of centre, anti trump, anti corpo type folks oppose the things I oppose in correct manner and degree, duh.
I’m working on it. Maybe. Well, one day. Like when other Left of centre, anti trump, anti corpo type folks oppose the things I oppose in correct manner and degree, duh.
I can only hope the downvote was because even dead nazis are bad.
Fwiw, I automatically downvote this childish shit because almost everyone online seems to call anyone they dislike a Nazi.
If you’re using pop history’s biggest bad guys to refer to everyone with whom you disagree, oknbut you don’t also get to claim the moral high ground that comes with punching aforementioned popular history’s worst bad guys.
You’re just saying you want to punch those with whom you disagree, minus the intellectual justification.
can you point out where I called anyone a Nazi?
If you feel personally attacked by the statement, I have some bad news for you…
The part where you’re wrong is when you assume I’m using “nazi” to refer to anyone I disagree with. Maybe some people do that, and that would be both childish and incorrect. Similar to some people using “communist” the same way.
However, that’s not how I use the terms. I have more than a surface-deep level of understanding pertaining to fascism, and I’m capable of recognizing the signs and symptoms. Are you?
Anyone who’s been paying attention can see the resurgence of fascism happening plain as day. People openly praising hitler should not be normal. People doing nazi salutes or parading nazi flags should not be normal. Government officials instituting nazi-esque policies, with nazi-style tactics, for professed reasons that are reminiscent of nazi-like worldviews, should not be normal.
Your comment is no different from when tankies get upset when I call them tankies, and they claim that I’m only calling them that because I disagree with them. No, I only call people tankies if they’re behaving like tankies. There are specific argumentative styles that distinguish them.
I’m perfectly capable of disagreeing with someone without calling them a nazi or a tankie, if they’re not behaving like a nazi or a tankie. If they are, then their behavior needs to be corrected. If they refuse to correct their behavior, then they should be rejected, shunned, and removed from polite society.
Society cannot tolerate intolerance, or else it will become an intolerant society. And the only people arguing otherwise do so only to try to justify their own intolerance.
So it’s pretty sus that you come here trying to obfuscate things by claiming it’s childish to call out nazism (or if you prefer more generally, for technical accuracy, fascism; although literal neonazis have also made a resurgence).
Watching Andor or some youtuber doesn’t count as a significant understanding of fascism.
If you’d actually learned about fascism, you’d know that the Brownshirts and Blackshirts both were itching for street level fights and that the resulting chaos in the streets fueled perceptions of mayhem which helped enable both fascist movements to enact more sweeping laws etc.
The reason trump sent ICE into Democratic cities with smaller immigrant communities was precisely because he was hoping people would be dumb enough to start throwing punches or better/worse yet, kill an officer.
You beat nascent fascism movements by convincing people. You don’t win by punching randoms. As my friend had to explain to her young son, “you might be right but the moment you throw a punch, you’ve lost. Doesn’t matter if you’re in the right, you’ve lost.”
Honestly, if I were one of the digital overlords of social media and I wanted to help the trump administration, I can think of few things more effective than promoting this idea of punching “nazis”. If enough idiots listen and we start throwing serious punches, we’ll lose.
If you want to learn, it’s a bit of a slog but I can think of few books better than Shirers Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.
That’s a pretty big fucking assumption that you’re making about me and the background of my knowledge. If you won’t take this conversation seriously, then neither will I. Bye.
It’s based on what you wrote.
No one who has read anything serious about fascism suggests punching people is anything but helpful to the regime.
You might read Timothy Snyder’s “On Tyranny”. It’s very short and quite well written.
I’ve read it. I’ve also read Hannah Arendt, Umberto Eco, and other scholars of fascism.
But if you’re just going to assume my criticism of fascism is based on a fiction series made by Disney of all fucking companies, then I’m not going to waste my time discussing these things with you.
When I got banned from reddit for saying we should normalize punching nazis, it was from before this regime took hold, when it was still a foreboding storm cloud on the horizon. It was maybe 2023 or 2024, when an innocent black man was beaten to death by cops, and a photograph circulated of a dude who wore a nazi armband to the man’s funeral.
I’m sorry, but if you think the appropriate response to that is anything other than to use physical force to chase him away and teach him never to pull that shit again out of fear for what will happen to him, then I just can’t agree with you.
The Allies in WWII didn’t defeat the nazis by being nice. I recognize the situation isn’t comparable, because there’s no coalition of global superpowers capable and willing to depose the current regime in the US, and no ragtag band of rebels has the resources or backing, let alone the organization or the experience, that it would take to stand against the government, and any escalation would spell disaster for the last remnants of hope there are for an electoral offramp from this madness. But that’s simply not the context that I was posting in.
Feel free keep handling fascists with kiddie gloves, but that treatment is what enabled them to seize power in the first place. Not because people were treating them too harshly. Neville Chamberlain would like a word…