The USSR had steady and consistent economic growth, and provided free, high quality education and healthcare, full employment, cheap or free housing, and fantastic infrastructure and city planning that still lasts to this day despite capitalism neglecting it. This rapid development resulted in dramatic democratization of society, reduced disparity, doubling of life expectancy, tripling of functional literacy rates to 99.9%, and much more. Living in the 1930s famine would not have been good, but it was the last major famine outside of wartime because the soviets ended famine in their countries.
The USSR brought dramatic democratization to society. First-hand accounts from Statesian journalist Anna Louise Strong in her book This Soviet World describe soviet elections and factory councils in action. Statesian Pat Sloan even wrote Soviet Democracy to describe in detail the system the soviets had built for curious Statesians to read about, and today we have Professor Roland Boer’s Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance to reference.
When it comes to social progressivism, the soviet union was among the best out of their peers, so instead we must look at who was actually repressed outside of the norm. In the USSR, it was the capitalist class, the kulaks, the fascists who were repressed. This is out of necessity for any socialist state. When it comes to working class freedoms, however, the soviet union represented a dramatic expansion. Soviet progressivism was documented quite well in Albert Syzmanski’s Human Rights in the Soviet Union.
The truth, when judged based on historical evidence and contextualization, is that socialism was the best thing to happen to Russia in the last few centuries, and its absence has been devastating.
Death rates spiked:
And wealth disparity skyrocketed alongside the newly impoverished majority:
When you look at the US Empire and western Europe as having higher quality of life than the USSR, you are looking at the benefits of imperialism, colonialism, and neocolonialism and wishing the USSR also practiced this, instead of helping liberate colonies and the global south. Russia in particular was a semi-feudal backwater in 1917, and made it to space 5 decades later. The USSR was not the picture of wealth, but was for its time the picture of development and rapid progress.
I don’t really know what you mean by saying you aren’t opposed to socialism when you’re clearly following the Red Scare playbook.
Low-effort, generalized comments on topics I’ve already covered in-depth before get copy/pasted replies, with any necessary tweaks to make more relevant. Contrary to what you’re claiming (with no sources), soviet record-keeping was meticulous, with the soviet archives serving as the basis of all modern historiography worth any salt, both from pro-soviet and anti-soviet historians.
In reality, most soviet citizens wanted to retain the USSR up until the very end:
Moreover, the large majority of post-soviet citizens regret its fall. What happened was a crisis in government caused by a coup by the Yeltsin faction, who wished to use their positions to establish a capitalist economy and a dissolution of the soviet system.
You haven’t proven how anything I’ve said is fake, just relied on your own emotional unwillingness to concede that the USSR was ultimately functional and progressive for its time. Is there a particular fact you dispute? Can you offer a counter-source? Without any of those, you’re the Flat Earther in the face of modern historiography.
“All those things the Nazis did are bad, but what does that have to do with the crimes of the Judeo-Bolsheviks?”
The same people who pinky swore that all the things I said are true are the same people who held a flashlight under their chin and told you about the scary USSR when you were a child. All these fairytales come from the same source, and believing any one of them is just as stupid as believing any other.
Stop letting the Epstein Empire tell you what to think about it’s enemies
Great, I however grew up in post-communist country and seen with my own eyes the fallout of it’s existence.
Exchanging one propaganda for another is just as bad. Fuck USA, but also fuck USSR. Both of those can be true.
I however grew up in post-communist country and seen with my own eyes the fallout of it’s existence.
“I grew up during the feeding frenzy of capitalist pillaging that immediately followed the death of the Soviet Union and it sucked, so fuck communism for that.”
Bro what are you even saying. “I grew up in Hiroshima after the US nuked it and it sucked, so fuck Japan.” You grew up under capitalism, take up your issues with the rich western pedophiles who actually engineered them.
Ask an anticommunist to describe the horrors of communism, and every time…
Edit: I cannot wrap my head around this level of dumb bullshit.
"I grew up during the Spanish occupation with morion-clad assholes raping and pillaging everywhere, so I know how bad life was in Aztec Tenochitlan "
“I grew up with US bombs and napalm raining down of my family, so I know how horrible Communist Vietnam is”
“Psh, you think Indonesian society was acceptable? You should have seen how fucked up it was under Dutch colonial rule. Fuck the natives for that.”
Let’s hope children of this generation all over the world currently growing up with high oil prices are not as stupid as Liome and understand that it’s capitalist Usonia doing all of this.
And wealth disparity skyrocketed alongside the newly impoverished majority:
Just because two statements can be true does not mean any two statements must be true. The facts have shown that capitalism has been a disaster, and that a return to socialism is necessary for post-soviet states.
Liome didn’t even talk bad of a socialist government.
Liome talked bad of a capitalist regime being sucked dry by another capitalist regime and likely moved to the capitalist regime that exploited her motherland, which she praises, and is about to fall apart from exploiting its own population.
Uh huh, and Hamas beheaded 40 babies and Saddam Hussein was building nukes and Iran invisibly killed 40,000 protestors
Sure, and how does this relate to the topic? All of those are horrific, but that doesn’t make USSR’s abuses any better.
They’re all horrific fantasies, that was the point. None of them are true, yet you’re parroting them just like you’re parroting Red Scare mythos.
This mf thinks Hamas actually beheaded babies and Sadam was actually building nukes.
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The USSR wasn’t a utopia, but it was a better, more advanced form of society than capitalism. It was real.
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The USSR had steady and consistent economic growth, and provided free, high quality education and healthcare, full employment, cheap or free housing, and fantastic infrastructure and city planning that still lasts to this day despite capitalism neglecting it. This rapid development resulted in dramatic democratization of society, reduced disparity, doubling of life expectancy, tripling of functional literacy rates to 99.9%, and much more. Living in the 1930s famine would not have been good, but it was the last major famine outside of wartime because the soviets ended famine in their countries.
Literacy rates, societal guarantees in the 1936 constitution, reports on the healthcare system over time, and more are good sources for these claims.
The USSR brought dramatic democratization to society. First-hand accounts from Statesian journalist Anna Louise Strong in her book This Soviet World describe soviet elections and factory councils in action. Statesian Pat Sloan even wrote Soviet Democracy to describe in detail the system the soviets had built for curious Statesians to read about, and today we have Professor Roland Boer’s Socialism in Power: On the History and Theory of Socialist Governance to reference.
When it comes to social progressivism, the soviet union was among the best out of their peers, so instead we must look at who was actually repressed outside of the norm. In the USSR, it was the capitalist class, the kulaks, the fascists who were repressed. This is out of necessity for any socialist state. When it comes to working class freedoms, however, the soviet union represented a dramatic expansion. Soviet progressivism was documented quite well in Albert Syzmanski’s Human Rights in the Soviet Union.
The truth, when judged based on historical evidence and contextualization, is that socialism was the best thing to happen to Russia in the last few centuries, and its absence has been devastating.
Death rates spiked:
And wealth disparity skyrocketed alongside the newly impoverished majority:
Capitalism brought with it skyrocketing poverty rates, drug abuse, prostitution, homelessness, crime rates, and lowered life expectancy. An estimated 7 million people died due to the dissolution of socialism and reintroduction of capitalism, and the large majority of post-soviet citizens regret its fall. A return to socialism is the only path forward for the post-soviet countries.
When you look at the US Empire and western Europe as having higher quality of life than the USSR, you are looking at the benefits of imperialism, colonialism, and neocolonialism and wishing the USSR also practiced this, instead of helping liberate colonies and the global south. Russia in particular was a semi-feudal backwater in 1917, and made it to space 5 decades later. The USSR was not the picture of wealth, but was for its time the picture of development and rapid progress.
I don’t really know what you mean by saying you aren’t opposed to socialism when you’re clearly following the Red Scare playbook.
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Low-effort, generalized comments on topics I’ve already covered in-depth before get copy/pasted replies, with any necessary tweaks to make more relevant. Contrary to what you’re claiming (with no sources), soviet record-keeping was meticulous, with the soviet archives serving as the basis of all modern historiography worth any salt, both from pro-soviet and anti-soviet historians.
In reality, most soviet citizens wanted to retain the USSR up until the very end:
Moreover, the large majority of post-soviet citizens regret its fall. What happened was a crisis in government caused by a coup by the Yeltsin faction, who wished to use their positions to establish a capitalist economy and a dissolution of the soviet system.
You haven’t proven how anything I’ve said is fake, just relied on your own emotional unwillingness to concede that the USSR was ultimately functional and progressive for its time. Is there a particular fact you dispute? Can you offer a counter-source? Without any of those, you’re the Flat Earther in the face of modern historiography.
“All those things the Nazis did are bad, but what does that have to do with the crimes of the Judeo-Bolsheviks?”
The same people who pinky swore that all the things I said are true are the same people who held a flashlight under their chin and told you about the scary USSR when you were a child. All these fairytales come from the same source, and believing any one of them is just as stupid as believing any other.
Stop letting the Epstein Empire tell you what to think about it’s enemies
Great, I however grew up in post-communist country and seen with my own eyes the fallout of it’s existence.
Exchanging one propaganda for another is just as bad. Fuck USA, but also fuck USSR. Both of those can be true.
A footprint doesn’t describe the boot.
Nah, fuck the US. Not the USSR. Every American who has any level of worker protection should get on their knees and thank the USSR
“Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army as can never be repaid”
-Hemingway
“I grew up during the feeding frenzy of capitalist pillaging that immediately followed the death of the Soviet Union and it sucked, so fuck communism for that.”
Bro what are you even saying. “I grew up in Hiroshima after the US nuked it and it sucked, so fuck Japan.” You grew up under capitalism, take up your issues with the rich western pedophiles who actually engineered them.
Ask an anticommunist to describe the horrors of communism, and every time…
Edit: I cannot wrap my head around this level of dumb bullshit.
"I grew up during the Spanish occupation with morion-clad assholes raping and pillaging everywhere, so I know how bad life was in Aztec Tenochitlan "
“I grew up with US bombs and napalm raining down of my family, so I know how horrible Communist Vietnam is”
“Psh, you think Indonesian society was acceptable? You should have seen how fucked up it was under Dutch colonial rule. Fuck the natives for that.”
Let’s hope children of this generation all over the world currently growing up with high oil prices are not as stupid as Liome and understand that it’s capitalist Usonia doing all of this.
But you didn’t see the fallout of the USSR’s existence. You saw the fallout of its ceasing to exist.
Oh so you were just lying when you replied to me earlier. Can’t even keep your own bullshit straight in the same thread loser?
The dissolution of socialism and the reintroduction of capitalism was an economic disaster. What you’re blaming on socialism was in fact capitalism doing what capitalism does. An estimated 7 million people died due to the dissolution of socialism and reintroduction of capitalism, and the large majority of post-soviet citizens regret its fall.
Death rates spiked:
And wealth disparity skyrocketed alongside the newly impoverished majority:
Just because two statements can be true does not mean any two statements must be true. The facts have shown that capitalism has been a disaster, and that a return to socialism is necessary for post-soviet states.
Why do you attribute to communism what you remember from growing up in a capitalist system?
So you saw how bad the fallout of it’s collapse was.
What other propaganda! The USSR doesn’t exist to put out propaganda, all you are getting is pro US propaganda.
They can be but they aren’t
They are strawmannig you because u dared to talk bad about %200 socialist regime and our glorious leader Stalin.
Liome didn’t even talk bad of a socialist government.
Liome talked bad of a capitalist regime being sucked dry by another capitalist regime and likely moved to the capitalist regime that exploited her motherland, which she praises, and is about to fall apart from exploiting its own population.
Oooooh eglin seems to be leaking in. No one mentioned Stalin, yet you immediately started the capitalist propaganda
No one mentioned Stalin, so clearly you’re lying
I know. I wouldn’t expect anything else from here. Just disappointing.
Then leave buddy?
You’re such a brave truth teller
Mate. That’s not what happened and you know it
we’ve got the least dishonest liberal on our hands here