Marx also railed against metaphysicians, who dogmatically try to apply one set of conditions to an entirely different context, ignoring the particularities. The concrete reality is that the CIA and Mossad were infesting and sparking the protests for the purposes of installing a reactionary monarchy. This isn’t worker liberation, the class interests served are the imperialist bourgeoisie. Without a strong and unified working class, revolution cannot succeed, and so the better organized factions like Mossad and the CIA would be able to take advantage of this.
Did I say CIA, Mossad or other imperialist state were not involve ?
I pointed out that you couldn’t pretend defending the working in class when denying its agency. The movement “jin, jîyan, azadî” started way before the US and Israel operations (2022); kurdish people are organizing for their freedom even before the 1st war of Irak, and one of the few example of real socialism (democratic confederalism).
Yep, the imperialist state try to use those movement; the responsibility of the revolutionary movement inside those imperialist state is to fight the imperialism of their own state, not saping the revolutionary movement in other state
US and Israeli operations within Iran are as old as the current government.
This is just my opinion, but as far as I understand it Iran can’t quit the war unless it gives massive concessions to the people who bombed children and their leadership on the first day of the war DURING NEGOTIATIONS. You can’t opt out of it because the US and Israel clearly won’t accept anything less than neoliberal policy under a puppet regime, they certainly won’t let a socialist government take power. So I believe the logical conclusion for socialists within Iran is to defend their country and people in a platform of national unity. Showing up in the defense of regular people is necessary for regular people to see that socialists actually care about them not dying.
This thread is explicitly about imperialist backing in the recent protests, not just protests in general. We weren’t talking about the kurdish conflict or anything, so it’s weird for your original comment to mock people for correctly accusing heavy foreign involvement.
My top comment was snark-ish, so I’ll elaborate my real positions here:
I think many of the protestors are real, and unrest is not fully foreign. More specifically, they are protesting about heavy economic turmoil and internal repression. The latter is definitely real and I do not deny that, and so is the former. But a large part of the economic struggle in Iran is imposed by heavy sanctions and wars (this war already happened last year!) by the US and Israel, to overthrow the state for their own interests. US using sanctions in this way is documented in many countries, and they are using the natural unrest, throwing oil in the fire by both waging more war and strangling the economy further. Their goal is to overthrow the state and either install a western-friendly state that sells away its natural resources at the expense of their people, or another Libya. Iran is the only nation in the region actively resisting Israeli-American bloodthirst, and have been dreaming of this war for decades.
Overthrowing Iran (at least, now) would serve Israel/American imperialism, and would leave Israel unopposed to butcher the north of the region freely. Reality is not neatly isolated into compartments, something like this would have consequences and US/Israeli would rabidly seize the opportunity.
Marx also railed against metaphysicians, who dogmatically try to apply one set of conditions to an entirely different context, ignoring the particularities. The concrete reality is that the CIA and Mossad were infesting and sparking the protests for the purposes of installing a reactionary monarchy. This isn’t worker liberation, the class interests served are the imperialist bourgeoisie. Without a strong and unified working class, revolution cannot succeed, and so the better organized factions like Mossad and the CIA would be able to take advantage of this.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-said-frustrated-that-mossad-promises-of-iran-uprising-have-fallen-short
Sorry to break it to you bro, you’re not getting that $7,000 💔
Did I say CIA, Mossad or other imperialist state were not involve ?
I pointed out that you couldn’t pretend defending the working in class when denying its agency. The movement “jin, jîyan, azadî” started way before the US and Israel operations (2022); kurdish people are organizing for their freedom even before the 1st war of Irak, and one of the few example of real socialism (democratic confederalism).
Yep, the imperialist state try to use those movement; the responsibility of the revolutionary movement inside those imperialist state is to fight the imperialism of their own state, not saping the revolutionary movement in other state
US and Israeli operations within Iran are as old as the current government.
This is just my opinion, but as far as I understand it Iran can’t quit the war unless it gives massive concessions to the people who bombed children and their leadership on the first day of the war DURING NEGOTIATIONS. You can’t opt out of it because the US and Israel clearly won’t accept anything less than neoliberal policy under a puppet regime, they certainly won’t let a socialist government take power. So I believe the logical conclusion for socialists within Iran is to defend their country and people in a platform of national unity. Showing up in the defense of regular people is necessary for regular people to see that socialists actually care about them not dying.
This thread is explicitly about imperialist backing in the recent protests, not just protests in general. We weren’t talking about the kurdish conflict or anything, so it’s weird for your original comment to mock people for correctly accusing heavy foreign involvement.
My top comment was snark-ish, so I’ll elaborate my real positions here:
I think many of the protestors are real, and unrest is not fully foreign. More specifically, they are protesting about heavy economic turmoil and internal repression. The latter is definitely real and I do not deny that, and so is the former. But a large part of the economic struggle in Iran is imposed by heavy sanctions and wars (this war already happened last year!) by the US and Israel, to overthrow the state for their own interests. US using sanctions in this way is documented in many countries, and they are using the natural unrest, throwing oil in the fire by both waging more war and strangling the economy further. Their goal is to overthrow the state and either install a western-friendly state that sells away its natural resources at the expense of their people, or another Libya. Iran is the only nation in the region actively resisting Israeli-American bloodthirst, and have been dreaming of this war for decades.
Overthrowing Iran (at least, now) would serve Israel/American imperialism, and would leave Israel unopposed to butcher the north of the region freely. Reality is not neatly isolated into compartments, something like this would have consequences and US/Israeli would rabidly seize the opportunity.
Hope that made sense
Lol sorry if reality is inconvenient for your bullshit