Strictly speaking, that headline and the articles I’ve read in the Western press, suggest the idea was to incite a rebellion by clearing a path. Meaning by weakening the regime and giving the protestors the opportunity to seize the government.
It doesn’t suggest they were trying what they did in Afghanistan, finding all the incels and giving them money and guns.
Trump literally said:
‘We sent them a lot of guns. We sent them through the Kurds.’
And Netanjahu blamed Mossad as responsible for the failure of the protests to affect regime change.
I was commenting on the written word in the meme and (to a lesser extent) the words in the Western news articles I’ve read,
- Marx : “the freedom of the workers will be accomplish by the workers themselves”
- Workers fighting for freedom
- Marxist : “It’s CIA !”
Marx also railed against metaphysicians, who dogmatically try to apply one set of conditions to an entirely different context, ignoring the particularities. The concrete reality is that the CIA and Mossad were infesting and sparking the protests for the purposes of installing a reactionary monarchy. This isn’t worker liberation, the class interests served are the imperialist bourgeoisie. Without a strong and unified working class, revolution cannot succeed, and so the better organized factions like Mossad and the CIA would be able to take advantage of this.
“We sent them a lot of guns. We sent them through the Kurds. And I think the Kurds kept them,” Trump said.
“We sent guns to the protesters, a lot of them. And I think the Kurds took the guns,” he added.
Sorry to break it to you bro, you’re not getting that $7,000 💔
Did I say CIA, Mossad or other imperialist state were not involve ?
I pointed out that you couldn’t pretend defending the working in class when denying its agency. The movement “jin, jîyan, azadî” started way before the US and Israel operations (2022); kurdish people are organizing for their freedom even before the 1st war of Irak, and one of the few example of real socialism (democratic confederalism).
Yep, the imperialist state try to use those movement; the responsibility of the revolutionary movement inside those imperialist state is to fight the imperialism of their own state, not saping the revolutionary movement in other state
US and Israeli operations within Iran are as old as the current government.
This is just my opinion, but as far as I understand it Iran can’t quit the war unless it gives massive concessions to the people who bombed children and their leadership on the first day of the war DURING NEGOTIATIONS. You can’t opt out of it because the US and Israel clearly won’t accept anything less than neoliberal policy under a puppet regime, they certainly won’t let a socialist government take power. So I believe the logical conclusion for socialists within Iran is to defend their country and people in a platform of national unity. Showing up in the defense of regular people is necessary for regular people to see that socialists actually care about them not dying.
This thread is explicitly about imperialist backing in the recent protests, not just protests in general. We weren’t talking about the kurdish conflict or anything, so it’s weird for your original comment to mock people for correctly accusing heavy foreign involvement.
My top comment was snark-ish, so I’ll elaborate my real positions here:
I think many of the protestors are real, and unrest is not fully foreign. More specifically, they are protesting about heavy economic turmoil and internal repression. The latter is definitely real and I do not deny that, and so is the former. But a large part of the economic struggle in Iran is imposed by heavy sanctions and wars (this war already happened last year!) by the US and Israel, to overthrow the state for their own interests. US using sanctions in this way is documented in many countries, and they are using the natural unrest, throwing oil in the fire by both waging more war and strangling the economy further. Their goal is to overthrow the state and either install a western-friendly state that sells away its natural resources at the expense of their people, or another Libya. Iran is the only nation in the region actively resisting Israeli-American bloodthirst, and have been dreaming of this war for decades.
Overthrowing Iran (at least, now) would serve Israel/American imperialism, and would leave Israel unopposed to butcher the north of the region freely. Reality is not neatly isolated into compartments, something like this would have consequences and US/Israeli would rabidly seize the opportunity.
Hope that made sense
Lol sorry if reality is inconvenient for your bullshit
Just the normal leftist conspiracy theory proven correct as always, but this time it’s a speedrun
Mossad agents: “60 gazillion protesters killed! We have to save them by killing everyone that’s left!”
I literally had an intense discussion about this in real life and said the same thing. The victims and the perpetrators both agree that CIA and Mossad were trying to affect regime change. But westernern libs know better of course…
Liberals are midwits at best, who knew? 🤷😅
TBF most of us used to be liberals, and we have no more wits now than we did then.
Self reporting as “I would have fallen for the Iran propaganda” a year, two max ago.
i sure don’t and age is starting to make me forgot more often so i’ll have less wit soon. lol
Communist are against the fascist religious tyranny in Iran. Speak for your self!
If you oppose the Iranian government, do you think whatever replaces it will be better if Mossad and the CIA overthrow it?
What makes them fascist in your view?
You don’t have to agree with the regime to know US/Israeli attempts to over throw it will be worse for the Iranian people. The external contradiction facing Iran must be overcome before the internal contradictions can be resolved. There is no social growth under imperial boots.
If you are claiming to be a communist then please apply material analysis
