[a sign reads FEMINIST CONFERENCE next to a closed door, a blue character shrugs and says…]
I don’t care
[next to the same door, the sign now says RESTRICTED FEMINIST CONFERENCE WOMEN ONLY, there are now four blue characters desperately banging on the door, one is reduced to tears on the floor, they are shouting]
DISCRIMINATION
SO UNFAIR!!!
LET US IINN!!
MISANDRY
No. It really doesn’t matter. A safe space is a safe space. You think the guys at the shooting clubs do nothing but shoot? They talk there about men-specific issues.
There are plenty of non-gender restricted shooting clubs in my country and there are womens toilets in my country too. It’s not about women not being allowed to piss or shoot. It’s about these specific women not being ok with the fact that safe spaces for men exist.
Same as the guys in the OP. They don’t protest because they specifically need to be in this meeting because they want to discuss women-specific issues. They are just not ok with safe spaces for women existing.
In both directions it’s a power thing. People like that (no matter the gender) get off on taking things away from others. The point is not to be able to be in that place, but to take away safe spaces from someone else. And that’s an asshole move for asshole reasons no matter if the person doing that is a man or a woman.
So what about you? Are you ok with male safe spaces existing? If not, tell me, what reason for that do you have that is not an asshole reason?
Safe spaces are important for everyone. My non-asshole reason is: I like to piss and shoot.
Edit: If we’re talking about the UK, we’re talking about a place where women alive today remember not being allowed to go to pubs because women weren’t allowed to drink alone in public. I support them taking back unnecessarily gendered spaces.
Can you piss in a toilet that fits your gender and is just a few meters farther down the hallway? Can you shoot in the next shooting club down the road?
If yes, why exactly does it have to be in the one that is a safe space for someone else?
Because there’s no reason why a shooting club needs to be gendered. If you can’t see the difference between a hobby club and a protected safe space for a certain group I don’t think we’ll see eye to eye on that issue.
The toilet thing is a bit more complicated. Generally, women take longer to use the washroom for mechanical reasons, and the same toilet space is usually allotted to both genders while men’s bathrooms have urinals as well as toilets, which take up less space - more pissers per square foot, if you will. That’s why the lineup to a women’s washroom is usually longer, and why I would absolutely use a men’s washroom rather than piss myself.
I’m fine with men using the women’s washroom when they need to. If there’s one thing everyone should be able to do regardless of the sign on the door, it’s taking a piss when they have to.
So men are not allowed to choose their safe spaces, is that what you are saying?
Or are you dictating which activities are allowed to be performed in a safe space?
There are non-gendered shooting clubs. Why would it be not ok for there also to be gendered shooting clubs?
In general, your post is all about “Safe spaces are only for me, screw everyone else”. That’s an asshole take.
This is called a strawman argument.
No it is not. Please read up on what a strawman argument is.
Lol. “Do your research!”
Pretty sure we’re done here.
Dude, you don’t win arguments by citing inapplicable fallacies. That always backfires. If you want to cite fallacies, please read up on them and learn to apply them correctly.
No, I get it why they are upset. Their feelings are hurt by a space existing that they are specifically excluded from. This is the same for any other situation that would say they are excluded from.
I for example, would not feel terrible if I didn’t study to be an Engineer because I don’t care about it. But having the possibility outright denied because of a factor not really from a fault of mine (like being too short, or from the wrong bloodline, or something similar) would make me pretty bitter.
I learned to not care and be Zen about people having secrets, and secret clubs, and things I never can.
Except for the Engineer one, I am still pretty bitter about it.