[a sign reads FEMINIST CONFERENCE next to a closed door, a blue character shrugs and says…]
I don’t care

[next to the same door, the sign now says RESTRICTED FEMINIST CONFERENCE WOMEN ONLY, there are now four blue characters desperately banging on the door, one is reduced to tears on the floor, they are shouting]
DISCRIMINATION
SO UNFAIR!!!
LET US IINN!!
MISANDRY

https://thebad.website/comic/until_it_affects_me

  • WoodScientist@lemmy.world
    25·
    4 days ago

    Men believe that women “dominate conversation” whenever women take more than about 30% of the speaking time.

    Do the following:

    1. Have men and women meet in a group and have a conversation on nearly any topics.
    2. Record the conversation.
    3. After the conversation, have participants fill out surveys on how much time the men and women spent talking.
    4. Review the tapes with a stopwatch and record the actual time spent talking by men and women.

    Scientists have done this. What they find is that men will be utterly convinced that the women are dominating the speaking and conversation time, even if 2/3rds of the time is actually given over to men speaking.

    Men do this without even realizing it. You probably do this without even realizing it.

    If you really want techniques on how to end “passive gendered segregation,” then you need to adjust the character of cis men so they don’t feel that they’re being discriminated against at the exact same time they’re actually dominating things. Masculinity as practiced is performative and fragile.

    • HalfSalesman@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      3 days ago

      I’m autistic. I’m well aware that I talk too much (meta-wise at least, maybe not always in the moment). I tend to be apologetic if I notice it and I am always trying to ask more questions. Makes for better conversation that way anyway.

      If you really want techniques on how to end “passive gendered segregation,” then you need to adjust the character of cis men so they don’t feel that they’re being discriminated against at the exact same time they’re actually dominating things.

      I don’t think this is the only reason passive gendered segregation happens. In fact its far from the primary reason. Especially in the US, the genders have been officially segregated for a huge portion of its history. That’s largely been dismantled (though not entirely frustratingly) but its residual effects have stubbornly stuck around. Its making everyone miserable.

      This is largely motivated by religious puritanism and sex negative politics. Regardless if someone is an atheist or not, or if someone is a progressive leftist with sex positive values, we are all unsubtly mentally influenced to be heavily conservative about sexuality. Since most people are straight (or probably secretly bi tbh) this leads to segregation and in-group out-group politics that make men and women suspicious of each other at the outset.