[a sign reads FEMINIST CONFERENCE next to a closed door, a blue character shrugs and says…]
I don’t care
[next to the same door, the sign now says RESTRICTED FEMINIST CONFERENCE WOMEN ONLY, there are now four blue characters desperately banging on the door, one is reduced to tears on the floor, they are shouting]
DISCRIMINATION
SO UNFAIR!!!
LET US IINN!!
MISANDRY
Here’s a question to ask yourself:
Outside of toilets why are they gendered
Why is it a “men only” shooting club? Do you have special guns that only penises can fire?
Because they are a male safe space where men can be among themselves. There are plenty of non-gendered shooting clubs, so here’s a question to ask yourself: Why would a woman need to be part of exactly the one that is gendered?
It’s obviously not about access to a shooting club, since she could just join a non-gendered one.
So why exactly does she need to abolish a men’s safe space?
Does the feminist meeting above have special words only vaginas can say?
So what exactly is it about men about themsleves they can’t do around women? What makes this an equivalence to the women’s lemmy community group and its mission as defined?
I mean you’re trying to use the words, show the concepts .
Genderswap your statement and you start to understand the issue. What is it about women that they cannot do or talk around men?
It seems to me like you don’t think of men as humans.
Men aren’t excluded from the comm.
They’re just asked not to speak
The club isn’t allowing women to be present at all
Now do you see the false equivalence?
So you’re saying women should be allowed, we should ask them not to speak while at the club… Are you sure you’re not Republican or something?
That opinion is somehow even worse… Nice catch.
Yeah, the false equivalency is that you are saying that safe spaces don’t matter unless you want them.
You are arguing in bad faith.
The club doesn’t matter to you. You don’t even know which club it is. You don’t even know which country this is about. The club doesn’t affect you in any way, but you are against it, because you are against safe spaces for men.
Men are human too, no matter what you think.
Come back with something other than strawmen
Ok, let’s step back from your litte offtopic strawman excursion to some random lemmy community:
Do you think there should be any female-only safe spaces where men are not allowed? Yes or no, simple question.
I mean…on the flip side, do women have discussions that only vaginas can have?
you can both be right here, because both sides are equally valid.
just to add,
during the civil rights movement it was important to have equity, and I’d say when it comes to gender equity we’re far more progressive about it today than 60 years ago.
I would say it’s only fair to have gender blocked communities as a form of equity. whereas before women didn’t even have the option to have a safe space unlike today.
Very different arrangement.
The group online is asking for women only to speak (you can be a member, you can read posts, just limited on who can speak), because women’s voices are drowned out
Men aren’t being overwhelmed and chased from gun clubs by hordes of women
I agree that women have the right to create communities where male voices are limited or silenced.
I disagree that it’s a different arrangement.
in the spirit of equity it’s only fair that men are afforded the exact same rights as women. this would include the right to create communities where female voices are limited or silenced.
regardless of if women are utilizing their right to join gun clubs doesn’t negate the right to a safe space to anybody.
This here. I don’t quite get how someone can argue that safe spaces for one gender should exist but not for the other gender.
Everyone needs safe spaces, and women’s safe spaces aren’t threatened at all by the existence of men’s safe spaces.
There seems to exist a radical subsection of fundamental feminists who are against anything that might be good for men on principle. Kinda how there’s a radical subsection of male assholes who believe the same for women. People like that suck and are exactly why we can’t have nice things.