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    I know this study. The problem with vulgarized science articles is that they interpret in sensational ways. Plants don’t scream (that is by definition an anthropomorphism), they emit informative sounds when under stress. The use of the word “scream” implies pain, which plants do not feel.

    Pain, as far as we know, requires a nervous system to be felt. No study disproves that.

    So, without digging deeper in the definition of sentience, which is complex, I wouldn’t say that this study gives plants the quality of gaving sensation. It just says that when you cut a plant, the plant emits sounds.

    Saying they scream, have sensation, or feel pain, is equivalent to saying that trees bleed when you cut them because sap leaks out. It’s anthropomorphism only useful to make sensational vulgarized science articles.

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      It just says that when you cut a plant, the plant emits sounds.

      That’s quite like most of animals we eat - you cut them, they emit sounds.

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        if, hypothetically, i punched you hard as fuck in the balls, there would be two emissions of noise

        1. the impact sound of my fist against your balls, and possibly various fleshy ricochets (not a scream)
        2. the sound you make from your mouth when your nerves transfer information about the impact to your brain and cause a reaction (yes a scream)

        i hope this has been an illustrative example

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          And? How do you know that plants are not screaming from pain of being cut?

          The reality is we don’t know. We don’t even really know how other humans perceive pain (as it is highly subjective), nevermind mind other species.

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            that might be one of the infinite mysteries of the universe, like whether everything is actually a boltzmann brain’s fleeting hallucation, but fortunately we do know with certainty that animals scream and flail and panic and thrash when you try to kill them on account of having a very very similar nervous and cognitive system to you, and also that you have to cut a fuckload of plants to feed them before you kill them anyway

            hope that helps

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        And a whole more stuff happens that doesn’t happen with a plant.

        Stupid analogy. But what else do I expect on the internet?

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          It is not an “analogy”. Plants scream just as much as animals do, but since they are less cute than animals you prefer to claim they have no feelings.

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            No, I prefer to base my decisions about what is sentient or not sentient on science rather than anthropomorphisms.

            Plants don’t scream. Plant’s don’t feel. Animals do. Deal with it.

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              Plants don’t scream. Plant’s don’t feel. Animals do. Deal with it.

              What you mean is, you don’t know. You are making assertions without basis.

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                No, I’m making them based on science. Which is more than you can say about yours. Science isn’t absolute truth, but it is the closest we have.

                You, however, are making shit up out of your ass.