7, 8, & 9 were mid movies because they were produced by people who do not understand the franchise or what the lore/world permits. And movie 9 was such a hack job that I’m shocked there weren’t Alan Smithee credits.
9 is objectively a bad movie. The big bad reappears off screen and it’s handwaved with “somehow”. Fuck that movie. Literally the worst one by a long shot. Absolute garbage.
@ChicoSuave @movies I liked 7, actually, but was really disappointed by 8 throwing the build-up away again and 9 was just a mess, cleaning up nothing at all.
I liked 7 at the time, but it’s been retroactively ruined by the whole package
Well, yeah. They don’t really go anywhere and they don’t have anything to say.
I just rewatched the prequels. Sure, they can be criticized but they do tell a rather cohesive story about a dying democracy’s inability to deal with emergent totalitarianism, while also exploring Anakin Skywalker as a character.
The new trilogy starts with ideas that might be interesting to investigate but then completely fails to do so.
The dialogue is the problem with the Prequels. It looks good, the stories track and all nearly fit into the wider Star Wars universe, it’s just that George Lucas has no idea how actual humans communicate. There was also an absolute tsunami of 3rd party content around the Prequels from comics, video games, YA novels, TV shows, and toys that cemented the Prequels into the cultural Zeitgeist that Disney was completely unable to replicate.
Another problem with the sequel trilogy is the few things they did try to explore were already done better by the existing films. The other trilogies really hammered home the flaws of the Jedi order. Rich people play both sides, just like the Lando.
“a rather cohesive story about a dying democracy’s inability to deal with emergent totalitarianism”
Which is why the Prequel Trilogy regained popularity given the horrors we’re living through.
Plus Darth Maul is awesome
7: Mystery box/A New Hope again
8: Controversial character assassination but honestly the only one with any real value cinematically
9: Cowardly trash with no payoff for the mystery boxes that also discarded every point of value from 8
I wonder why. Fuckers couldn’t even figure out they should have made the Knights of Ren matter as villains.
I got as far as them using their hyperspace to launch a small ship and destroy the bigger ship, like why don’t they just make a ton of dummy ships and blow everything up that way, would have taken out the death star so easily.
It was cool to see but right after that’s all I could think about, like why even bother building a death star, just hyper launch things all over the place
a ton of dummy ships
We usually call those missiles. :P
You’ve reminded me of a bit of flavor text from Starsector that I particularly like, from the missile specialization skill:
My colleagues don’t appreciate their whimsy. You get all these little spaceships and you break all the rules 'cause they don’t need to survive landing.
Smacking one ship into the other creates a large debris field with unknown vectors. Allowing debris to enter a hyperspace window is dangerous according to the laws of physics that I just made up.
I feel like the problem with 8 was how ham-fisted it was. Like, I get wanting to break the norms, go a different direction, and not rely on nostalgia to direct your story. But maybe taking what everyone loved from the first movies, going “actually all this stuff you loved is SHIT and you were stupid for ever liking it” and then literally burning it all in front of everyone was the wrong way to go about that.
It felt like the writer held some deep seeded hatred for Star Wars and its fans, and went out of their way to make that known.
It’s not saying “you are stupid for ever liking it”, but a lot of old star wars fans are taking it that way. Not everything is a personal attack.
What were the things you liked they shit on?
The person you’re referring to is JJ Abrams. JJ Abrams thinks he knows everything about movies and doesn’t need to know anything about the source material, it’s a fairly well documented fact that he was neither a Star Trek fan nor a Star Wars fan before making either movies. I have so many problems with JJ Abrams going all the way back to Lost and I don’t think I will ever forgive him for ruining two of my favorite franchises and TV storytelling for the time being.
…or any villain besides Temu Darth Vader and (sigh) The Emperor II, zombie boogaloo
Temu Darth Vader
😂
I understand the thematic purpose of Kylo, he’s supposed to be the edgy wannabe Nazi, it’s a commentary and so on and so forth.
Probably shouldn’t have used your female lead as a sexual reward for the redemption arc of the Neonazi incel though. Bro literally negged her and abused her…
Kind of makes you think any female empowerment message spread by Disney is a mere marketing decision or something.
9 made me so angry.
I watched the first one and it seriously sucked. Just way too many cameos, I felt like I was watching a revival episode of some 90s comedy. It could have had a laugh track and it wouldn’t of felt out of place.
I didn’t even bother witb the the next ones.
So many direction they could of gone with but they decided to treat the franchise like Noem treats her pets.
Disney killed all my fan energy. Never trust the mouse.
IMO they should pretend they never made those 3 steamers and try again. Full retcon.
Give me more movies about trade disputes!
Needed more midichlorians.
This was recently posted in the science fiction instance and i will post the same thing I posted there.
The first two-thirds or so of The Force Awakens was pretty good. All after was utter dogshit.
I agree. It hook you in the beginning, then tosses ideas around… and nothing happens
Lmao.
That would be because it is impossible to create a beloved movie franchise through AI generated and ad revenue driven drivel.
Which parts of the trilogy are ai generated?
Didn’t they resurrect some dead actors in these ones?
Rogue One had FX inserted versions of Tarkin and Leia, and Ep9 had existing footage of Carrie Fisher written in. It was pre GenAI, though, and more likely programmatically generated in the former case, and the latter was just pulled from the cutting room floor from Ep 7 and 8.
As I said elsewhere, I thought they were “deepfakes” which could already be produced back then and used neural networks…
CGI is not AI generation
I don’t remember for sure what techniques they used for the recreation, but I had thought they used some deepfake technology (which was in use well before “from scratch” image generation by AI model was feasible). Maybe I’m wrong - though I’d bet that’s what OP meant, regardless.
OP responded and then deleted thier response. They’re trying to say the script was ai generated, and the deepfake was ai, which didn’t happen for either thing.
lol OK then.
I suspect the deepfake did use AI though. The “deep” in “deepfake” comes from “deep learning” i.e. deep neural networks. That was the technology used at the time, though as I say, they could have used a different technique.
Thats a lot different than the generative ai slop that’s used now
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