Sex work is work. There’s nothing wrong with PizzaCake having an OnlyFans.
The problem is that PizzaCake buys Reddit upvotes and will ban anyone on Reddit who points that out. She makes low-effort engagement bait, which wouldn’t have become popular if she didn’t treat it like a pay-to-win game.
No complaints about the comic here, but if I/we may go off on a tangent about the subject matter:
To what extent is “destroy the patriarchy” a red herring to get people angry at “men” rather than “sociopathic billionaires of all genders?”
Sexism is still a thing, of course, just like racism and all kinds of other awful shit. But those awful parts of our nature are often stoked by those in control to keep the attention off of them. “No war but class war,” as the Lemmings say.
In my little corner of the world, when I see memes about crushing/destroying the patriarchy, it’s usually in the social context of a sticker on suburban moms’ Stanley cups, or t-shirts, or even occasionally SUVs. They (mostly) hate Trump, sure, but they have no problem with J. K. Rowling or Kamala Harris.
To what extent is “destroy the patriarchy” a red herring to get people angry at “men” rather than “sociopathic billionaires of all genders?”
Very little. The patriarchy is not about “men better than women,” but about enforcing rigid social roles that restrict everybody. Men are expected to show strength, be emotionless, and give their lives in the pursuit of social status far more than women. They are then brainwashed by the power they hold over women into thinking this is a good thing, all the while making us all less free.
This dynamic is so powerful and so prevalent that it is the single greatest social strategy the oligarchs have access to. Every fascist movement on earth succeeds or fails depending on how well they exploit men’s place in the patriarchy. The problem with patriarchy lies not in who wears the crown, but how it turns average men into loyal foot soldiers.
On the other hand, women like JK Rowling reinforce their own oppression, as do the actually toxic women who spend all their time hating men. They ostracize other women for not meeting their standards while viewing relationships with men as purely transactional and oppositional. Transphobia is common as they seek to make rigid distinctions between themselves and men. In doing this they cement their roles in society, which only serves both patriarchy and oligarchy.
So no, destroying the patriarchy is not a distraction from class war, but an essential part in winning it. It has nothing to do with hating men, and the myth that it does is propaganda that only serves hierarchy.
It is not a red hearing at all unless it is used to displace another message. So if you were talking about class warfare and your message was drowned out or disrupted by a message of destroy the patriarchy then you could say it is a red hearing.
Sexism isn’t just a thing, it is “the” thing to be honest. For example, the leader of the KKK commented over a decade ago that he would rather vote for a black man (Obama) than a white woman (Hillary). Let that sink in, one of the most racist people is still more sexist than racist.
You bring up the fact that people in control use sexism to manipulate people. For sure they do just like they use racism. The crazy part is they might not even be racist or sexist themselves but they know it resonates with people so they will use it for their propaganda.
I think you make a great point about a disconnect that those who are against the patriarchy may have with class issues. On the other hand you could also tie the patriarchy to issue like transgender rights through rigid enforcement of gender roles and fueling genocide with hierarchical structures.
That’s my theory for why trump won the last election.
It is just as it is the major problem in a lot of countries and their societies.
However, being a gal doesn’t make one perfect either. Thatcher and Elizabeth destroyed womens rights, workers rights, and protected pedophiles in their ruling tenure.
Because that’s largely class reductionism.
Fighting class is one of the most important battles, but it is not the only one in the war on hierarchy.
It’s hilariously sad to me that some people feel the need to let everyone know they dislike this particular comic.
News flash: NOBODY CARES IF YOU DON’T LIKE THIS, PLENTY OF OTHERS DO!
So keep whining about how much you think a particular artist sucks, nobody is listening.
I don’t have any stance on this comic or this artist (never seen them before), but comment sections are kind of exactly for opinions to be shared.
There’s discussion, then there’s just repeatedly showing up to things you don’t like just to tell people how much you don’t like them. Technically still “just an opinion” but honestly no one wants to hear it after the second time.
What’s the goal there? Win Best Hater award? Have everyone pander to you and stop posting? Bah, away with that nonsense.
I agree, although this particular bit
Have everyone pander to you and stop posting?
works both ways - so much so that I initially misinterpreted your comment when I quickly scanned it before properly re-reading
Ah, okay, see that’s my bad, I thought comments were places for discussion, not places to whine and cry every time you see a specific artist , that’s on me.
Carry on whiners!
Opinions (even negative ones) are a form of discussion.
I get the sense that you are speaking out about circumstances relating to this specific artist (maybe they’ve been excessively hounded by a brigade of haters), but your original comment, esp. the last line was quite general, and is largely what I was responding to.
your original comment[…]was quite general
some people feel the need to let everyone know they dislike this particular comic
Nice work on the truncation.
I mean, do you feel that it radically changes the sentence?
While it specifies that especially the last line was general (which I agree), the sentence is still saying that Courtney’s entire comment was quite general while the very first sentence of her comment specifies it’s about this particular comic.
The entire comment cannot be general when it contextualized its subject right from the first sentence.
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It’s ironic that even negative comments count as engagement and will most likely be a net positive for the creator.
Opinions are bad booooh, let people enjoy things. Watch the new harty potter
enjoy things, but don’t fund transphobia!
new game: take a drink every time some dude posts here saying they don’t like pizzacake.
recommendation: they should be water. if you do this challenge with adult beverages you’ll die
New game: Take a drink every time someone posts about some dude saying they dont like pizzacake despite them being a pretty small minority in the comments.
new game: take a drink every time some dude #NotAllMen’s you
I love your comics. Please keep going. Fuck living life to Please haters. They can fuck right off.
this wasn’t posted by the creator :)
Mr. Boopy has my full support. I trust this fluffy little revolutionary with the entire agenda 😂
I just don’t like the artstyle or the humor. I don’t think I’ve ever encountered a cat comic from this author, so I can’t say those are any better or worse.
What I find weird is that people seem to find it very important to say that they don’t like Pizza Cake. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
there’s a purity culture of hating PizzaCake it seems like. rather than just not liking PizzaCake, some people have to prove they hate PizzaCake. what’s the goal of proving you hate PizzaCake? to feel included and socially accepted. the funny thing is i’ve only ever seen this culture of proving you hate something arise around women, girls, and things women and girls like. i’m about to age myself a little bit but here’s a list of things that have gotten these purity hate cultures around them since i’ve been able to notice:
- Britney Spears
- Boy bands
- Jessica Simpson
- Twilight
- Katy Perry’s come up
- Lady Gaga
- Carly Rae Jepson
- indie folk
- Hillary Clinton
- women’s marches
- PizzaCake
- OnlyFans models
- AOC
and for all those people, and things, the purity culture around hating them just keeps them in the zeitgeist, an effect that has only been intensified by engagement driven algorithms. when you make it a point to say you hate something, you are platforming that thing and the things you say you don’t like about it.
personally, i like Pizza Cake on the whole. i think she has some insights. i don’t find anything amazing or detestible about the art style. it’s just… a newspaper cartoonist’s style. it’s unique enough to be evidently hers while being clean enough to appear alongside other comics with a similar blend of insight, comedy, and personal testimony. it also helps her have a consistent style across the run of her comic. i see a lot of people complaining that the art hasn’t shown signs of practice or improvement, but that’s… exactly the aim of this style of cartooning. to be extremely consistent and repeatable in order to meet deadlines and to allow resharing long after the original was shared in the event it becomes relevant again.
i guess my point is… if you, the reader, hate PizzaCake, that’s fine. i won’t convince you to not. but you won’t convince me to hate it either. so just move along. proving you hate something only makes that thing more visible to others. do what i do when i hate stuff: don’t talk about it or think about it. if you come across it you can say “oh, here’s another thing that’s doing something similar i just like a little more better”
not everything has to be vitriol all the time
Did all of the above silence bone hurting juice with legal threats against totally legal parody?
Only seen this culture of hate around women
Yeah, that’s toxic masculinity incel culture for you.
WOMEN BAD, WAIT WHY NO ONE SEX ME, WAAAAAAA
for sure. i wasn’t gonna touch on that since there was already so much to say but for most of us on this platform, misogyny is the hegemony that’s so built up that it’s become invisible to us
Carly Rae Jepsen is awesome. I dislike all her other music, but Call Me Maybe is great. Violins in pop was an awesome trend and one day the world will come to its senses and do it again for a few short years.
She falls in the ‘you know what good for you’ category for me
Okay, but basically all of those up until “women’s marches” are objectively shit. PizzaCake is fine, got more laughs from me than Grafo, back in my reddit era.
Akshually only my opinion is objective.
Yeah, very fair, I should try sleeping at some point
things can only be objectively shit if they’re actively harmful. of what i listed i can really only say with my whole chest that Twilight, Katy Perry post come up (hence why i specified her come up), and Hillary Clinton are actively harmful in some way. AOC also gets an asterisk because my perspective is that all politicians are to not be trusted, but AOC is one of like 3 politicians i can think of who are putting in work to reduce the amount of harm politicians do.
i’m going to particularly push you on indie folk. what’s so objectionable about rural people expressing their emotions, providing alternative programming to the actively harmful radio country? this seems less like it’s “objectively shit” and more “a piece of pop culture ephemera in which you were not directly centered”
My eyes skimmed over indie folk, I actually love that. But the rest are straight trash. Also, I’ve been awake for too many hours and probably nothing I post right now should be considered a reasonable take lol
hey do you mind if i steal that for my biography. if not just my one here, like my real one too
Sure?
AOC is one of like 3 politicians i can think of who are putting in work to reduce the amount of harm politicians do.
I’m guessing AOC, Bernie, Zohran?
Well remember to add Greta Thunberg to the list, she’s a great politician. Politics isn’t just electoralism, there are direct action politicians.
I would have picked Katie Porter.
pizzacake is one of those comics where i realized that i’m just outside of its target demo and that would have felt like an uncomfortable realization if i hadn’t already bought my midlife crisis bicycle. it’s good for what it is, but i just don’t resonate with it. her art has definitely improved since she started and she seems to enjoy it so that’s cool.
I don’t, personally. I never mentioned it on this platform until this comic specifically addressed the topic.
How dare they share an opinion.
When you phrase your opinion as “I don’t like this so you shouldn’t get to enjoy it or see it” that’s a problem. In fact I think that’s THE problem that’s being called out here. Do you go into a restaurant and specifically call the cook out of the kitchen so you can announce to everyone that you think the food is bad? Because that’s what it seems like.
They are talking about “I don’t like this artist, but to each their own” comments. They aren’t even talking about valid criticism of the author (I see some actual valid criticism here that I’m fine with).
I am not even a pizza cake fan. I have no skin in this race. If I never saw another one of her comics again it would not matter to me at all.
I don’t follow this artist so maybe people complaining about “undue hate” toward her is right. There’s a lot of toxicity out there toward women and misogyny needs to be stomped out.
Having said that, I made my comment because the OP of this thread didn’t even tell anyone to stop enjoying her comics or invalidate her points. It wasn’t hateful or anything. The response to OP itself felt oppressive as if to say anything negative one has to say about strong women falls under misogyny or that it’s invalid.
I dunno, maybe I’m overthinking it. I just felt uncomfortable with the comment I responded to because I really don’t like her art style either and I don’t wanna see it on my feed. It made me feel I’m being accused of misogyny for having—or god forbid, sharing—such an opinion.
Solutions have been floated in the comics community that would allow us to “tag” content by placing the author of the comic in the title so that people could filter out content they don’t want by using the filters Lemmy does have.
I understand why it wasn’t adopted but it would solve this problem as well as the problem of indexing and prevent reposts of the same content.
Either way, people are allowed to like things. They’re allowed to dislike things. But messing it up for everyone over the trivial and subjective idea that someone doesn’t like something that doesn’t hurt anyone is I think what a lot of the comments are calling out.
There are actualities where artists are doing real harm and those have valid criticism (looking at you JKR). But the dislike this artist often seems to get can be equated to the hate that Nickel Back get. Like. I’m not presenting them as the best band to ever have lived. Not by a longshot. But they aren’t like… Terrible? And music taste is subjective so what are people dunking on them hardcore for?
That is to say it seems like hating pizza cake is trending and that’s why so many people have to tell you ~they’re vegan~ they hate her art.
Sorry to the vegans for the joke. Y’all are alright. I just don’t share your distaste for meat and milk.
Probably because her comics are so misandristic. Would you find it strange if people said they didn’t like misogynstic comics? I’m guessing not.
That’s fair, people have their preferences.
It’s only an issue when it’s toxic misogynistic nonsense or “snark” hate. Which PizzaCake attracts a lot of from the reddit crowd.
She did fuck up with a bad take in one comic - not that the bad take was such a fuckup, but her behavior in the wake of it was ridiculous. However, that was one incident, and we have a larger trend of her publications to draw conclusions from. In light of that, I see someone who is generally on the right side of humanitarian issues, who had a bad take and got overly defensive about it. I do NOT see someone who accidentally went mask-off and revealed a true evil behind their online persona. Which, I think, is the take the reddit crowd you mentioned would have us believe.
What was that bad take?
The comic was “what if people talked to men the way men talk to women” but what it depicted was a series of situations that many men have actually experienced in their lives.
You don’t happen to have a link, do you? I tried looking for it but I couldn’t find it ;-;
The comic was left up here, but the thread is a radioactive crater that I must caution you against scrolling down into:
oof. i’m not sure anyone handled themselves well in that. it was not a good interaction for anyone involved if i remember.
It was on reddit so whatever genuine criticism she might have earned for it was drowned out by a tidal wave of reactionary bigots trying to cancel her whole existence. It was definitely not great.
The art style IMO is very standard newspaper comic strip. I appreciate them not trying to force something unique and distracting, like that artist that has floating off-face dots for eyes, or the one that has darkened spear-points for noses.
Humor…well, I guess it’s the eye of the beholder. Not everyone agrees on what’s funny, and direct social commentary isn’t always meant to be funny.
I wish they’d just downvote and move on.
I think most do. I don’t even downvote. This callout probably isn’t aimed at lemmy communities, but I still wanted to share my thoughts.
i am going to disagree with you about your unique and distracting examples, i love those ones. okay maybe i’m a bad example i fucking love (web)comics. like all of them.
It is what it is. I’m aware that my personal experiences/situation/identity are topics she deals with regularly in ways that mostly agree with mine, and that that may color my attitude toward her. Neither of us can be held responsible for liking or not liking Pizzacake comics. Glad you were chill about discussing it though, pretty cool of you.
Counterpoint, you can have a multi dimensional opinion instead of blind love or hate.
Some of her stuff is funny but imo there is a lot of cringe too
Thank you Mr. Boopy uwu
Edit: That’s it, turn that >:( upside >:3
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Man this topic always pisses me off because she paints her haters as biggots, then bans people with valid criticism.
She didn’t make an oopsie. She made an offensive SA joke and the mods white knighted the comments. She doubled down too, not even apology. Just called anyone who disagrees a misogynist.
Like I don’t feel like I have to say women deserve rights to point out what’s wrong with her threatening critics with DMCA takedown.
It’s why lemmy is actually great. I might still get 10 down votes but I won’t get banned completely by a mod simping for an OF creator.
Hehehe.
I believe that PizzaCake is Penny Arcade for women, and Penny Arcade is PizzaCake for men.
This opinion may piss some people off, and I don’t care. The comics are of equal quality, but PizzaCake has more opinions I agree with because I, too, am a gender minority.
Oh, now this is a take. The essentialism is a bit lazy, but the vibes fit, right down to the dickwolves debacle.
Wow, I didn’t know about the dickwolves thing until now. That’s a very PizzaCake thing to happen.
Me if someone said my work is of the same quality as Penny Arcade:
Man you’re gonna shit when you find out women have been reading PA the entire time
heh. i got introduced to PA by the woman who everyone was bothering me to marry my entire 20s (one of the few people to be able to learn the musical technique that bears my name, btw, which makes her one of the top performers of that instrument in the world. AND SHE RETIRED. we’ve been besties since, uh, a year or two after i graduated high school? i met her in the same band i met my wife in, her older sister and i were/are close. have done a lot of music together.) and she’s not just a brilliant musician, she plays video and board games too. And is not single, sorry dudes. she’s a hell of a catch, she just isn’t my kind of fish.
I don’t know why people would be pissed off, as this comment isn’t clear if being compared to Penny Arcade is supposed to be a bad thing or a good thing.
There are many men who like Penny Arcade and don’t like Pizzacake.
I would be delighted at the comparison. I don’t care if they are saying “they have the art style of early dinosaur comics” i’m still getting a qwantz.com reference i made them think of dinosaur comics holy cow i got compared to ryan north hells yeah
that’s just me, but you follow?
What’s Penny Arcade?
Here’s today’s comic:
I think Penny Arcade’s one of the few comics where I think their character designs got worse, the longer they ran.
You’re telling me this isn’t from a porn parody?
Yeah, they did not age well at all. I think our senses of humour evolved in different directions, too.
Now that’s what I call absolutely terrible!
It’s truly bad, I’m lucky they released such an intensely mid comic on the very day I chose to liken it to PizzaCake (Which is also often mid, but has got a lot better since she went more controversial)
I feel like I’m missing some plot here
The last couple comics are callbacks to characters who haven’t appeared in the comic for years, peeking in to see how they’ve changed and grown. It’s nostalgia for longtime readers and won’t make sense for anyone else.
Ok, thats a good equivalent tbh.
Wow, the art style has changed drastically since I last read those. It’s been years and years.
They genuinely used to look a lot more like the comic in OP, artistically.
Edit to add:
This one is supposedly from the 90s, but much closer to what I remember regardless.
Has fruit fucker not entered the ancient lore???
Eat the rich?
With barbecue sauce
Goddamnit now I’ve got that damn 90s Chili’s jingle stuck in my head.
Let’s see if I can change that.
Elon, waffle, elon in a waffle
Elon, waffle, elon in a waffle
Dip it all in mashed potatoes!
Just wanted to let You know; I see You and You are valid.
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eeee! what are you user tagging with i am having to use my brain and i ran out of memspace years ago. remembering Capital Grail (They are One of my favourites) is getting easier for me but ooo that would be nice to have a digital postit note. sorry, hook and loop note.
Aww, thanks!
PieFed has a user note feature
As Grail mentioned, PieFed has user tagging baked in. I believe Voyager for Lemmy has the functionality too.
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You’re crowing at clouds. If you think some shitty reddit webcomic is a cultural zeitgeist you’re delusional.
they’re right, tho. we would certainly be living under fully luxury space gay feminism by now if not for pizzacake… 😔 /s
pffff. your utopia is neither automated nor communist.
we have ways of dealing with traitors like you and pizzacake
You’re comment is just part of the opposing super secret conservative psy op created to sow distrust and delusions among the left.
Nothing makes the flat earthers stronger than thinking everything everywhere is a deep state psy op made to spy on you.
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