The US also has huge trade deficits in mangoes and sports shoes. So what?
Only idiots like Trump think all bilateral trade flows should balance.
Sure they do. It’s double down on ICE and block the import of foreign EV.
Well, we’ve artificially inflated the price of steel, electronics and consumable resources like fuel and electricity required to build cars in the US. I can’t imagine that we would even be competitive building anything right now.
Don’t forget years of short sighted manufacturing enabled by the insane dealership system.
And, I guess enough research and development to realize that you’re a decade or so behind the competition.
I got an answer, give up and let the Chinese EVs in. or just reinvent public transportation for the future and stop wasting ungodly amount of resources for Ford F-150s everywhere
If we let the Chinese evs in they would out sell too many ice or hybrid cars and reduce our consumption of oil, as well as bring too much competition to our “free” market. We can’t have that, think of all the money spent in lobbying to keep us dependent on oil! And people might not buy electric cars from their favourite eccentric Nazi if there’s an alternative and that absolutely cannot fly! Ugh it’s the same story over and over again with American companies. Perform like dog shit, piss and moan that sales are tough because of those pesky foreign doing it better, tarrifs the competition out of competition and beg big govt for a nice bail out. Been happening over and over since at least the 60s in at least automotive industry. People who use USA as an example of capitalism = bad are totally missing the point that USA is socialism for rich people at the expense of capitalism, as a real capitalist would love to buy BYD in USA. Capitalism needs to be constrained with regulation sure, but not in a way that benefits your “representatives” favourite private corpo
Amen to all of that.
US won’t have an answer. Obama invested in battery research, Trump shut it down, Biden invested in battery manufacture, Trump shut it down. During this time, Chinese industry secured a supply chain from raw ore mining to making batteries with patents. US has no IP in batteries.
Same thing is happening with drug discovery, it’s all China for the next decade.
Seems like the simple solution is to buy their cars and focus on producing something else.
sure it does.
shitting your pants has worked out well so far, just keep doing that.
SHOCKING REVELATION: US lacks clue
It’s over tbh. U can be a genius with 50 phds this trajectory was like this for decades
This is what happens when you let the oil industry and their lobbyists have unfettered control of the narrative and legislation .You get a huge number of politicians falling into their pockets, and progress is stymied at every turn.
It’s actually kind of surprising America has made the limited progress on EVs that we have. But it’s nowhere near enough. And now we are paying the piper.
American voters are doing their part to “help,” crying about “high” fuel prices (less than half of what they are here) when one of the big issues is that undertaxation of petrol has led to underinvestment in alternatives.
I mean, what do you want us to do? Index tax taxes or make them percentage based so they don’t go 33 years being eaten away by inflation? Create a system that actually pays for the roads it needs to exist instead of saddling the future with massive debt? Not make it legally difficult to impossible for any alternative forms of transport to exist or at least be usable by sane people? That all sounds impossible. /s
Tesla is American.
Lemmy has lots of opinions about vehicles with no actual knowledge. All US companies went in on EVs but you guys bought >3M pickup trucks instead, then you blame US industry for not making the cars you won’t buy.
This is some low effort trolling, do better.
Perverse fuel economy legislation and optimizing for high profit luxury vehicles meant consumers were choosing between a $20-30k ICE truck/suv or a $40k stripped trim EV.
In 2024 (when automakers were finally getting off their asses), only 10 BEV models were under $40k, most with pitiful range and only 2 just under $30k.
For comparison with ICE, there were 18 compact cars under $30k and 13 trucks under $40k. You could buy TWO Ford Mavericks for the price of an Ioniq 5 or a mid-trim Ford Mach-E.
This has very little to do with oil industry lobbyists, and a whole lot to do with the whole world outsourcing their production and labor to a country with no worker protections.
That would explain Chinese dominance in vehicles in general, not EVs in particular.
Also, Chinese EV manufacturing facilities are so efficient precisely because they’re so incredibly highly automated, nothing to do with worker rights regardless of your opinion of China.
That would explain Chinese dominance in vehicles in general, not EVs in particular.
Do ya see a bunch of Chinese ICE vehicles running around?
Also, Chinese EV manufacturing facilities are so efficient precisely because they’re so incredibly highly automated
They’re efficient because they have no concept of workers’ rights or IP. Not because they’re a country full of geniuses, and not because Big Oil is keeping them down, regardless of your opinion on China.
I guess American workers are treated too well and enjoy too much protection?
They enjoy many many protections that don’t exist in China. Denying this is just ignorant. Its how China became a superpower. Its why the US offshored all of their production to a country on the other side of the planet.
The Chinese can open a factory in the US anytime, but they won’t because its too expensive, and undermines the CCP’s goal of dominating emerging markets.
Nah, you’re just a propagandized westerner who hasn’t done the most cursory research on the degree of automation in Chinese EV industry. Enjoy malding in your ignorance while your country’s industry crashes and burns
That China has terrible workers rights is a fact. That China also has a lot of automation is an unrelated fact that is also true.
Automation is unrelated to EV price?
Its unrelated to a conversation about the oil industry and lobbyists, obviously, yes.
Mostly. Price is a complex problem. Cost is a floor factor and automation affects that somehow. It is hard to know when automation lower prices as this depends on relative labor costs which have been going up in China.
Chinese EVs are cheaper because the control the supply chain from mining to battery production. It has nothing to do with automation or cheaper labor, US plants are all automated. Chinese cars need to cost more for transport.
It is impossible to build lower cost cars in the US with healthcare costs, and Trump has only made that worse. US is the only country that ties healthcare to employment.
The degree of automation is not relevant to a discussion about why they’re being kept out of other countries, or anything to do with Big Oil.
There are plenty of Chinese ICE vehicles, what on earth are you talking about ? MG got rolling here in the UK with ICE before releasing hybrids and EVs, Chery only have ICE and hybrids here etc etc Same in Australia with BYD and the rest.
You’re poorly informed.
The US government is falling all over itself to fellate the oil and gas industry to protect their profits. They have blocked EVs in every way possible.
China doesn’t give a fuck about the US Church of Profits and is building renewable energy and EVs faster than the rest of the world combined.
The west has already lost. China won. China will be in charge in the very near future.
They are just as profit-driven as US corporations are. They are also leading the world in coal mining.
And I remember people singing the same song about Japan in the late 70s as they do about China now. Extrapolation works perfectly in a world with no limiting factors.
Fuck it, at this point lets give China a shot. They have issues, lots of them, but Europe isn’t going to compete any time soon, and at least China doesn’t switch between telling you you’re friends, and stabbing you in the back every 4-8 years.
The headline suggests it’s a problem that the USA is working on. Evidence suggests that in fact the approach being taken is to imitate an ostrich, and bury the collective head in oil and gas money.
While the government might be doing that, the US auto manufactures are taking a different approach. GM makes some nice EVs.
Genuinely, have they? All the EV news I hear from the US is projects stalling or getting cancelled.
Those are what make the news. GM has a lot of EVs that look just like the ICE of the same name and they don’t get much news.
Equinox and Cadillac lyriq are everywhere, you just don’t recognize them as EVs.
I drive a Blazer EV. Another one that you won’t recognize as an EV. The only obvious difference is the lack of exhaust pipes in the bumper. (and possibly the lines where the charging port opens/lock of lines for gas filler.)
Any sedans and hatchback, or only more gigantic trucks?
I don’t want an electric “vehicle”, I want an electric car.
Does GM make any of those? Sadly in the US market, selling real cars is almost impossible and so no one makes them. I too would prefer a sedan. However, I have to face the reality that in the current fad world I’m a tiny minority that’s not worth serving and so I have to take what I can get., I’m a tiny minority that’s not worth serving and so I have to take what I can get.
Chevy Bolt.
Discontinued next year.
I guess that’s Chevy’s answer lol.
The Ford Mustang Mach-E seems very nice as well
Love my Mach E.
Sounds like a better plan that what Europe is doing. Laxing Chinese imports and Chinese owned factories on EU soil while also opening more doors for more “Overseas Police Service Stations” that everyone apparently forgot about.
Renault is making several affordable EVs in France. Germany only came up with overpriced, unreliable EVs from Mercedes, BMW and VW/AUDI.
Italian auto industry is all but dead, they can only screw customers for so long.
Do you have a better idea?
I’ve been Flintstoning it for years, best move I ever made.
While your idea is very good and I support it, that’s a “ban smoking” solution to “how do we stop vaper imports from China”
If by “the U.S.” you mean Bonespurs, not having answers goes without saying. But that aberration won’t keep wasting oxygen forever.
This article wont go away
Oh It does… They prevent China EV makers from partaking in their “free market” and force you domestic suckers to keep slurping up the status-quo.
The solution is putting their fingers in their ears, screaming “No one wants EVs anyway” “America no1!” “USA! USA! USA!”.
You know, same solution they’ve always used.
