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Hey Cowbee genuinely helped me unpacked some shit and helped me to learn and grow in a way I haven’t done since I first realized I wasn’t the only one tired of the system.
S-tier comrade in the posting trenches
o7
Cowbee is goated.
Building communism one bigass reply at a time 👑
O7
We’re gonna read theory folks. We’re going to keep reading and reading. We’re going to read so much you’re going to say “please, no more. No more reading. I already agree! We should build communism! I am joining an organization!” But no! We’re gonna keep reading!With all the arguments and data, calmly and thoroughly too. It’s kinda spooky. 😅
Yeah… and I love him for it
you leave those sharks alone
Hey! Teacher…
Hey! Comrade, leave those sharks alone!
Imma need some context. Searching “cowbee” gave me nothing.
Cowbee is a prominent user on Lemmy who is a communist and frequently picks apart anti-communist comments.
You mean they dump copy-pasta fan-fiction about AES everywhere.
You literally supported Rhodesia.
You don’t get to make moral arguments that anyone takes seriously and you sure don’t get to criticize others arguments. Yours led you to support Rhodesia.
Lol, you continue to make up funny stories that have nothing to do with reality. I never “supported Rhodesia”.
go home fash
Rather overly optimistic communist at that. Told me to study up on communist theory without ever engaging with my best points. Talks a lot, says very little.
I think you might have some things to work on. I wish you well on the journey of self discovery
Well? Did you study up in communist theory, or are you content always getting dunked on?
Also, please link us the thread where Cowbee “ignored your best points” so we can take a look at it. I’m curious to see what you’re talking about. I suspect you’re lying.
Edit: https://lemmy.world/comment/23871382
Sigh, Cowbee painstakingly engaged with you, displayed patience and empathy and kindness, and this is the route you went. Reading your comments, you’re completely and utterly clueless. You would do well to stop throwing mud at people who take time to help you parse your scattered “ideology” and instead do some reading and shut the fuck up.
He thoroughly broke down your points, you just refused to agree.
Communism by itself isn’t bad, nor is capitalism, but both assume that their proponents are immune to greed, and that their opponent are full of it.
There are good things in both, bad things in both. The problem is to find people that are truly altruistic, and that have the moral fortitude to stay altruistic.
Edit: y’all can downvote all you want, I’ll stand by my opinion unless someone has the honesty to argue on that.
Can you list the good parts of capitalism? If you say the free market, capitalism doesn’t have a monopoly on that concept. Socialism and communism have free market aspects too, but they centralize control of resources so that 5 people can’t drain everything and ascend to the top.
You still believe in human nature detached from material conditions, which is an idealist position. There’s nothing convincing anyone can say to you until you challenge this position.
Read Marx
Already done, lot a good ideas, some ideas I don’t agree with, but an enlightening read nonetheless.
The part I disagree the most about are free competition.
I promise you that we all know you haven’t read Marxist works. No need to lie.
That was part of my philosophy class, the book is probably still at my father house.
nor is capitalism
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And he wants someone to “honestly argue with him” LMAO.
Neither capitalism nor communism assume that their proponents are immune to greed. Capitalism was developed as an improvement over (European) feudalism and mercantilism. The idea is that division of labour expands the quantity and diversity of goods that can be produced. Communism is similarly supposed to be an improvement on capitalism. Here, the idea is that centralised planning can improve the distribution of the produced goods (and further improve the quantity and diversity of goods).
I would argue capitalism is bad in nature, but people confuse free markets as being inherit to capitalism, which it is not.
Capitalism at its core is about ownership, in that those with money own a thing and thus make the decisions. This results in an Oligarchy controlling the market.
Communism in contrast is about collective ownership in that those that produce, own and make the decisions. However in practice, that ownership get usurped by “the state” which basically translates to an oligarchy through control of the market.
This is why I like the term, free market socialism. Ownership should be held by the producers, but the state should not control the market. The role of government in the market should be limited to monopoly prevention.
The state ownership of production is deliberate, and aimed at improving efficiency and allowing forward planning. One (or a few, if you want competition) large factory is more efficient than a bunch of smaller workshops. State ownership can lead to corruption, as you pointed out, but it is a conscious choice and not happenstance.
Gotcha, I’m terrible with names.
