• rumschlumpel@feddit.org
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    6 hours ago

    Well yeah, but if that’s the only kind of war that a military is planning on fighting, IMO it’s a bit much to call it “evil”.

    • Prunebutt@slrpnk.net
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      6 hours ago

      As militaries are a tool of states to protect their sovereign power: That’s not what militaries do, though.

      I don’t want to die for a state. Even if that state is being challenged in it’s sovereignity.

      • Shellofbiomatter@lemmus.org
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        4 hours ago

        Of course depending on a defensive war, but often times you’re not fighting for the state, but your loved ones. Like on a smaller scale nearly everyone would defend the people close to them from harm, for example trying to stop a rapist from abusing your wife/sister/daughter of course not limited to women. Rape can be used against men as well.

        In a defensive war the goal of states sovereignty and you defending your loved ones can align.

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          but often times you’re not fighting for the state, but your loved ones.

          If I’m part of a state’s army, I’m fighting for the militaristic goals of that state. That state only has an interest in my “loved ones” insofar as it’s the population they require to achieve their political aims. My loved ones aren’t benefactors of the state. That’s just state propagana.

          Your rape example has little in common from militaristic conflict that it’s simply a non-sequitur.

          In a defensive war the goal of states sovereignty and you defending your loved ones can align.

          I think you misunderstand what wars are to a state: In war, two or more states fight for their interest by destroying an opponents people and resources by destroying their own people an resources. I’m not a resource that’s willing to be used up.

      • Tar_Alcaran@sh.itjust.works
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        What if the state attacking is doing so for the purpose of murdering you and your family and everyone who remotely looks like you or shares your culture?

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              Not what I said.

              I’d flee or if there’s any reasonable chance to survive, I’d join some self-defense militia. But I wouldn’t die for a state.

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                Arbitrarily drawing the line at your feet for what form of group is acceptable doesn’t change that your self-defense militia would in fact be akin to “a state” in the context of what is being discussed.

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                  it were a state, I wouldn’t have a say in whether or not I will help in defending that state.

    • Mr.Chewy@lemmy.world
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      Still very far from ideal to kill soliders of the invading army, cuz they’re also people with lives and aren’t always willing in their choice, or worse case, indoctorinated. There truly are monsters whom love wars and killing and enter the army exactly because, but those are almost certainly a minority

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        Sure it’s not ideal but I won’t cry for any dead Russian soldiers. You walked across that border, you deserve to die.

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          I wouldn’t phrase it as ‘deserve’, but yeah, obviously. Pacifism is as bad of a failure when it doesn’t prevent those whom bring harm from doing so. I have no issue with them dying since it did come to that point. But I still, personally, believe that I can get to grieve for them nonetheless. It’s not contradictory as I see it.

          (I’m more than open to a discussion and even invite for someone to correct me if I’m wrong, not in the sense of “I challange” as much as “I want to improve”)