Never had a console, but I’d be glad without the silly slow disks.
I own my phone, my PCs, my servers, don’t use US-bigtec, don’t stream, don’t lease cars, don’t rent…but this?
Don’t most games need net for verification or updating anyway? So it’s not yours even with a silly disk in hand. I stand corrected if all games are 100% offline and a console would run forever with no net. I just don’t know.
Games aren’t streamed from the optical disks anymore. 8th gen of consoles (PS4 and Xbox one) required installing to a drive in order to play since HDD/SSD over sata is faster than optical.
Don’t most games need net for verification or updating anyway?
Yes, for updates, but I feel like you also need to do that on PC since we haven’t invented magic quite yet.
So it’s not yours even with a silly disk in hand
This does not follow from your previous statement. “If fish can’t fly then why are tomatoes red.” Games with the full game on disk work as is with whatever version of the game was put on there unless it requires online access.
But ps4 is old, yes? Does it still get new games?
And can you just give me your disc and then it’s my game? If yes, I can’t imagine that this would be around any longer. You must not own things.
My wife has a switch and this thing is just shit. Expensive crap games bound to your account. Most are just codes anyway.
Then why ask if all games will run offline forever? You clearly don’t care if your games will run offline forever if you think that the next console has any bearing on the matter.
You must be young. I still have my PlayStation 2 from when I was a kid. Works with every game I ever got for it. Same for n64, game boy, etc.
My first and only console was an Atari 2600 with pong being the first ever played game. Guess the youngster is you 😉
Since then I was PC only. I like the option to own everything forever (pirated if no other means available) and archive it forever.
Legally this option died 2 decades ago thanks to steam. So I just wondered why the big consoles still allow this.
Run forever is nice, but it also ends with the end of your ps4 then. So “forever” is kinda bound to that life.
My Atari cartridges are still here and might even still work, but no consoles left and why would I even after 4 decades.
No they didn’t, they just relied on people prefering the “easy” way. Buy+download+play.
But you can’t trade your games. Your license is tied to you. Physical media died due to steam. Hence trading and ownership. There is just GOG left where you buy stuff which is DRM-free and yours forever. BUT only old titles and SOME newer.
Unless we’re talking Switch 2 game key cards. Those are just downloads you can trade. But at least Nintendo puts all of their own properties on full carts rather than game key cards (Pokopia aside; Gamefreak and Pokemon are technically not Nintendo).
I don’t drink. But also don’t use the switch. Also I said most games are codes in a box with no cartridge. She only has one damn thing on a cartridge.
Considering how much we paid for that tiny console and how expensive the games are, I wouldn’t touch those with a 10m-pole.
Would pay a bit more and get a steamdeck if I absolutely HAD to be mobile.
And those never check license online? How can they be sure it’s not just a rip or copy? Still the same old mechanisms that didn’t really work on PC 20yrs ago?
So I just pull the net-cable and it continues to work forever? (Minus updates and such)
That’s correct. You can play it just fine unless you’re playing a multiplayer game or DLC. You put the disc in, it installs what it needs to install in order to run, and you play the game.
That way, when the servers go down, you can still play it.
That’s nice. A wonder this survived so long. On PC it died 2 decades ago. Except for old games and some rare special ones like witcher3.
Legally at least.
I boycotted steam for years when it started because I knew this was the end of trading games or owning them.
Then I gave up because resistance was futile and now I have like 100k in games I will never own and would loose if steam was gone.
You can still buy lots of DRM-free games today, most notably on GOG, but many offline games on Steam also ship without DRM and can be launched without running Steam.
Yeah, a lot of people don’t know that a decent number of games on Steam have no DRM and you can just archive the installation (make a portable copy so to speak).
In PS4 days, it was still common to be able to install & play games only from the disc. You were never forced to go online with your PS4. Even if you bought a game online you could always play offline. Besides pure online games of course.
So like 20yrs ago with PCs. Explains the many downloadable PS4 games.
Trading was nice, yes. I’m baffled consoleros can still do this. Would’ve bet you were already brought down to our level.
I just found out even on PS5s with disc drive there are a lot of single player games that don’t need an initial patch or verification and are playable without being online. But Sony no longer makes this a requirement for publishers as it was with PS4, so more and more games need this.
I have a PS5 without disc drive, so that’s not an option for me…
So…you have a driveless ps5 and couldn’t buy any ps5 game if it came on disk? You can only buy the license for your account?
But making it an option for devs probably means the end of media. Why would they even do that? As a Dev I want you to rent a license not own your shit.
I don’t think Sony allows PS5 games that are not available online.
“Sony makes it mandatory that you and your friends can share your games” was a major selling point.
THIS IS FOR THE PLAYERS was they slogan. And they were really focusing on people’s needs back then.
Until Sony realised they can just milk people as Microsoft did or so …
Oh yeah this slogan is super cool and a good selling point. Sadly also sounds like a thing from my childhood 40yrs ago.
They need to quench every cent. And probably noticed that the majority of people wouldn’t even know or care. And the others can accept it or move to another console that still does.
But I assume one is “imprinted” on one ecosystem and especially its controller?
Never had a console, but I’d be glad without the silly slow disks. I own my phone, my PCs, my servers, don’t use US-bigtec, don’t stream, don’t lease cars, don’t rent…but this?
Don’t most games need net for verification or updating anyway? So it’s not yours even with a silly disk in hand. I stand corrected if all games are 100% offline and a console would run forever with no net. I just don’t know.
Games aren’t streamed from the optical disks anymore. 8th gen of consoles (PS4 and Xbox one) required installing to a drive in order to play since HDD/SSD over sata is faster than optical.
Yes, for updates, but I feel like you also need to do that on PC since we haven’t invented magic quite yet.
This does not follow from your previous statement. “If fish can’t fly then why are tomatoes red.” Games with the full game on disk work as is with whatever version of the game was put on there unless it requires online access.
With a CD you had the option to play on an airgapped ps4
Also, the problem is not digital but not being able to transfer your license, etc
But ps4 is old, yes? Does it still get new games? And can you just give me your disc and then it’s my game? If yes, I can’t imagine that this would be around any longer. You must not own things.
My wife has a switch and this thing is just shit. Expensive crap games bound to your account. Most are just codes anyway.
I’m a big fan of the switch, since it can be emulated. Best way to play console games… wait a few years and have pretty much all of them.
PS4 still gets new games, yes. Even physical ones.
Nice. But still. This will end in the next 1-2yrs I assume, as one is urged to upgrade to the ps5?
Then why ask if all games will run offline forever? You clearly don’t care if your games will run offline forever if you think that the next console has any bearing on the matter.
You must be young. I still have my PlayStation 2 from when I was a kid. Works with every game I ever got for it. Same for n64, game boy, etc.
Ps2 is truly a beast. I have a ton of ps1 and ps2 games I still play from time to time
My first and only console was an Atari 2600 with pong being the first ever played game. Guess the youngster is you 😉 Since then I was PC only. I like the option to own everything forever (pirated if no other means available) and archive it forever. Legally this option died 2 decades ago thanks to steam. So I just wondered why the big consoles still allow this.
Run forever is nice, but it also ends with the end of your ps4 then. So “forever” is kinda bound to that life. My Atari cartridges are still here and might even still work, but no consoles left and why would I even after 4 decades.
Huh? I don’t think Valve wrote any laws about this, or even lobbied for them.
No they didn’t, they just relied on people prefering the “easy” way. Buy+download+play. But you can’t trade your games. Your license is tied to you. Physical media died due to steam. Hence trading and ownership. There is just GOG left where you buy stuff which is DRM-free and yours forever. BUT only old titles and SOME newer.
Switch is still offline… you can play any game you got on a cartridge for forever with no problems, what are you drinking dude?
Unless we’re talking Switch 2 game key cards. Those are just downloads you can trade. But at least Nintendo puts all of their own properties on full carts rather than game key cards (Pokopia aside; Gamefreak and Pokemon are technically not Nintendo).
I don’t drink. But also don’t use the switch. Also I said most games are codes in a box with no cartridge. She only has one damn thing on a cartridge. Considering how much we paid for that tiny console and how expensive the games are, I wouldn’t touch those with a 10m-pole. Would pay a bit more and get a steamdeck if I absolutely HAD to be mobile.
You can’t resell or let a friend borrow easily like with a physical disc
And those never check license online? How can they be sure it’s not just a rip or copy? Still the same old mechanisms that didn’t really work on PC 20yrs ago? So I just pull the net-cable and it continues to work forever? (Minus updates and such)
That’s correct. You can play it just fine unless you’re playing a multiplayer game or DLC. You put the disc in, it installs what it needs to install in order to run, and you play the game.
That way, when the servers go down, you can still play it.
That’s nice. A wonder this survived so long. On PC it died 2 decades ago. Except for old games and some rare special ones like witcher3. Legally at least. I boycotted steam for years when it started because I knew this was the end of trading games or owning them. Then I gave up because resistance was futile and now I have like 100k in games I will never own and would loose if steam was gone.
You can still buy lots of DRM-free games today, most notably on GOG, but many offline games on Steam also ship without DRM and can be launched without running Steam.
Yeah, a lot of people don’t know that a decent number of games on Steam have no DRM and you can just archive the installation (make a portable copy so to speak).
In PS4 days, it was still common to be able to install & play games only from the disc. You were never forced to go online with your PS4. Even if you bought a game online you could always play offline. Besides pure online games of course.
Pure online games is kinda obvious 😁
Always offline = forever? Not license verification once a month or so?
You only had to put in the disc to play. So you could still trade or share your games with others after you played through.
So like 20yrs ago with PCs. Explains the many downloadable PS4 games. Trading was nice, yes. I’m baffled consoleros can still do this. Would’ve bet you were already brought down to our level.
I just found out even on PS5s with disc drive there are a lot of single player games that don’t need an initial patch or verification and are playable without being online. But Sony no longer makes this a requirement for publishers as it was with PS4, so more and more games need this. I have a PS5 without disc drive, so that’s not an option for me…
So…you have a driveless ps5 and couldn’t buy any ps5 game if it came on disk? You can only buy the license for your account?
But making it an option for devs probably means the end of media. Why would they even do that? As a Dev I want you to rent a license not own your shit.
I don’t think Sony allows PS5 games that are not available online.
“Sony makes it mandatory that you and your friends can share your games” was a major selling point. THIS IS FOR THE PLAYERS was they slogan. And they were really focusing on people’s needs back then.
Until Sony realised they can just milk people as Microsoft did or so …
Oh yeah this slogan is super cool and a good selling point. Sadly also sounds like a thing from my childhood 40yrs ago.
They need to quench every cent. And probably noticed that the majority of people wouldn’t even know or care. And the others can accept it or move to another console that still does. But I assume one is “imprinted” on one ecosystem and especially its controller?