He’s completely overlooked the thing that annoys me the most: the unbelievable number of clicks you need to make in Windows/Microsoft to get anything done.
– Saving a file to a folder of your choice:
Windows: Click ‘Save’ -> Click ‘Choose a different location’ -> Scroll down to skip all the favourites and default locations -> Click the drive where you want to save the file -> Find the folder -> Click ‘Save’
Linux: Click ‘Save’ -> Go to the folder -> press ‘Save’
Not ot mention my recent attempts to rename a Bluetooth device (two devices of the same type were displayed under the same name, making it impossible to tell them apart) 🤮
I use Linux and Windows and don’t see that. I just checked with saving a file in the Windows version of Orca (3d slicer), Save brings up the standard Windows dialog that has all the folders on the left panel and the contents of the currently selected folder on the right panel. It’s virtually identical to the Save dialog box of Orca under Ubuntu right down to dividing local directories on top of the left panel and network share on the bottom left.
That’s the default Save in Windows. A program has to go out of its way to avoid the standard Windows Save dialog box which is the same problem Linux programs can have.
Be fair though, “saving from a GUI app” is not exactly Linux’s strong point either.
Click “save”; wonder which badly written save dialog this app is going to use; is it the one with the save button at the top? Or the bottom? Will it actually appear, or will it pop up below the window for Reasons, making you think the dammed thing has crashed? Maybe it’s one with a list of favourite locations in the left maybe it’s not… Maybe they’re actually my favourite locations, or maybe it’s an entirely different set of the developer’s. If I’m lucky, there’s a way to navigate to my home directory without going all the eay to the root and working up from there, more than likely not…
Best of all, it’s one of those Save dialogues that thinks it’s smart to enumerate the entire goddamned filesystem, network mounts and all, before it will respond to any input at all, leading to the window manager eventually fretting that maybe the application has crashed… Or perhaps it’s one of those ones related to Dolphin that thinks it understands WebDAV mounts better than davfs, except that it actually doesn’t and you end up saving to a temporary directory just so you can move the file where you actually wanted it from the commandline…
aaaaaargh
Don’t get me wrong, I use Linux on all my machines and have been a Unix user since NetBSD 0.8 (33 years, fml…) But clicking “save” or “open” is one of those things that has me shaking my head thinking “how can it STILL be this bad” every time.
Both of those take basically the same amount of time. It’s very fast on Windows if you pin the folder you want to that list you’re talking about skipping.
He’s completely overlooked the thing that annoys me the most: the unbelievable number of clicks you need to make in Windows/Microsoft to get anything done. – Saving a file to a folder of your choice:
Not ot mention my recent attempts to rename a Bluetooth device (two devices of the same type were displayed under the same name, making it impossible to tell them apart) 🤮
Microsoft screwed this up when they tried to make onedrive the default and therefore purposely made saving to disk harder.
Now you need to know the F12 shortcut to bring up the expected behaviour breaking decades of muscle memory.
Onedrive is a fuckin’ pain in the ass! Sends your files to Microslop and the files on your pc become shortcuts.
I went back to Windows10. Much easier to create a local account upon install. With Win11 they make you jump through hoops.
What program are you seeing that?
I use Linux and Windows and don’t see that. I just checked with saving a file in the Windows version of Orca (3d slicer), Save brings up the standard Windows dialog that has all the folders on the left panel and the contents of the currently selected folder on the right panel. It’s virtually identical to the Save dialog box of Orca under Ubuntu right down to dividing local directories on top of the left panel and network share on the bottom left.
That’s the default Save in Windows. A program has to go out of its way to avoid the standard Windows Save dialog box which is the same problem Linux programs can have.
Be fair though, “saving from a GUI app” is not exactly Linux’s strong point either.
Click “save”; wonder which badly written save dialog this app is going to use; is it the one with the save button at the top? Or the bottom? Will it actually appear, or will it pop up below the window for Reasons, making you think the dammed thing has crashed? Maybe it’s one with a list of favourite locations in the left maybe it’s not… Maybe they’re actually my favourite locations, or maybe it’s an entirely different set of the developer’s. If I’m lucky, there’s a way to navigate to my home directory without going all the eay to the root and working up from there, more than likely not…
Best of all, it’s one of those Save dialogues that thinks it’s smart to enumerate the entire goddamned filesystem, network mounts and all, before it will respond to any input at all, leading to the window manager eventually fretting that maybe the application has crashed… Or perhaps it’s one of those ones related to Dolphin that thinks it understands WebDAV mounts better than davfs, except that it actually doesn’t and you end up saving to a temporary directory just so you can move the file where you actually wanted it from the commandline…
aaaaaargh
Don’t get me wrong, I use Linux on all my machines and have been a Unix user since NetBSD 0.8 (33 years, fml…) But clicking “save” or “open” is one of those things that has me shaking my head thinking “how can it STILL be this bad” every time.
Each application is using the save dialog from whatever graphics API it was made in. GTK, qt, some tK ones are still kicking around…
Both of those take basically the same amount of time. It’s very fast on Windows if you pin the folder you want to that list you’re talking about skipping.
Almost like that’s intended or something. Weird!
Wait till you use a Mac!
Somehow they saw that and said “Hold my Beer” and went out of their way to ensure their users get maximum RSI pain.