I read an article that went over how more light in the morning is better for humans. Something about a “time lag” between solar time and our clocks, the bigger the difference, the worse it is for our health. The current proposal is more evening light which is daylight savings time. One of the scientist interviewed said their wouldn’t be sunshine until 9:30am where they lived.
I’m all for the clocks not being changed twice a year as long as it’s early morning sun.
School age kids don’t get daylight in winter. We lock them away indoors until a brief, lunch time recess. Then it is back inside until 3pm. They get home just in time for sunset, when they are locked back indoors after dark.
The only daylight they can feasibly get in winter is after school, and standard time deprives them of it.
Dawn-simulating lamps/alarm clocks are more than adequate for meeting early morning circadian needs; there is nothing capable of replacing the utility of evening daylight.
That’s not actually true. Physical activity, exercise affects circadian rhythms as well, and is a far more important consideration.
Again, the “circadian rhythms” factor of morning daylight can be adequately addressed with a simple bedside smart lamp providing consistent “morning light” to wake up to. That little lamp can start your winter day two (or more) hours earlier than your latitude would otherwise allow.
Stadium-style lighting over my local metro park, simulating afternoon daylight, isn’t nearly as feasible an option.
How does a lamp in my bedroom window replace an hour of afternoon daylight at my local metro park, or any of the other, non-bedroom places I want to be?
Are you not understanding that I don’t want to be in my bedroom at 4:30pm?
Sure but you’re not getting any morning sun anyway because even with sunrise at 8:30, you’re probably waking up in the dark and going to work. So best to see sun in the evening instead of no sun at all.
Kids don’t get daylight in the winter under standard time.
We send them to school before dawn. They are locked indoors until a brief recess at lunch time, then locked back indoors until 3pm. In winter, that gives them just enough time for sunset shortly after they get home.
In December and January, the only school-day hours of daylight they get to enjoy are the ones given to them by Daylight Savings Time.
Morning daylight is more than adequately replaced with a smart lamp next to your bedroom window. There is no replacement for evening daylight.
Why is it that between the arbitrary number we invented to tell ourselves when to do things, and the motion of The Earth, we see our numbers as sacrosanct and think we move the stars with our bits of ink on paper?
If light in the morning is good, lets just begin our occupations later! 8 isn’t even some holy time, lots of occupations begin at different times in different regions and within the same region!
As it is, the numbers are losing their meaning. Today, in the same time zone, sunrise could be at 4, or 5:30. In another time zone, 7:04 & 5:22. Our experiences of time are not the same.
I read an article that went over how more light in the morning is better for humans. Something about a “time lag” between solar time and our clocks, the bigger the difference, the worse it is for our health. The current proposal is more evening light which is daylight savings time. One of the scientist interviewed said their wouldn’t be sunshine until 9:30am where they lived.
I’m all for the clocks not being changed twice a year as long as it’s early morning sun.
I did my PhD in a field related to this. Morning light is absolutely the most important. Even more so for school age kids.
School age kids don’t get daylight in winter. We lock them away indoors until a brief, lunch time recess. Then it is back inside until 3pm. They get home just in time for sunset, when they are locked back indoors after dark.
The only daylight they can feasibly get in winter is after school, and standard time deprives them of it.
Dawn-simulating lamps/alarm clocks are more than adequate for meeting early morning circadian needs; there is nothing capable of replacing the utility of evening daylight.
That’s true for everyone, but note that I’m talking about the morning here.
PM daylight does nothing for your circadian rhythm and melatonin production.
That’s not actually true. Physical activity, exercise affects circadian rhythms as well, and is a far more important consideration.
Again, the “circadian rhythms” factor of morning daylight can be adequately addressed with a simple bedside smart lamp providing consistent “morning light” to wake up to. That little lamp can start your winter day two (or more) hours earlier than your latitude would otherwise allow.
Stadium-style lighting over my local metro park, simulating afternoon daylight, isn’t nearly as feasible an option.
In most cases the difference between 9:30am and 8:30am is immaterial. You’re still waking up and going to work in the dark.
But at least this way you’ll get a bit of light in the evening after work instead of spending your whole day in darkness.
Morning sun is better from a health perspective.
Morning sunlight can be adequately replaced with a dawn-simulating dimmer lamp next to the bedroom window.
Nothing replaces evening daylight.
Evening daylight can be adequately replaced by dusk simulating dinner lamps next to the bedroom window.
Nothing replaces morning daylight.
Morning light just wakes you up. You can replace that with a lamp.
Evening light lets you go outside, walk, see the sun, see trees and houses, be more active. You can’t replace that with a lamp.
How does a lamp in my bedroom window replace an hour of afternoon daylight at my local metro park, or any of the other, non-bedroom places I want to be?
Are you not understanding that I don’t want to be in my bedroom at 4:30pm?
You’re still indoors. Also you’re only looking at the worst day of winter without considering the effect the change produces the rest of the year.
If you want to wake up earlier and be home by 3 you’re free to do so, but don’t force that on everyone.
Sure but you’re not getting any morning sun anyway because even with sunrise at 8:30, you’re probably waking up in the dark and going to work. So best to see sun in the evening instead of no sun at all.
It makes a huge difference. Sunrise isn’t a switch, dawn starts about an hour before sunrise.
Mornings are miserable regardless. Let the boss man have us at the lowest and worst part of the day.
When the work day is over, we should have some daylight left for our own use. That means DST.
If you want to shift your schedule talk to your boss or change jobs.
We still need morning light, especially for kids.
Kids don’t get daylight in the winter under standard time.
We send them to school before dawn. They are locked indoors until a brief recess at lunch time, then locked back indoors until 3pm. In winter, that gives them just enough time for sunset shortly after they get home.
In December and January, the only school-day hours of daylight they get to enjoy are the ones given to them by Daylight Savings Time.
Morning daylight is more than adequately replaced with a smart lamp next to your bedroom window. There is no replacement for evening daylight.
Why is it that between the arbitrary number we invented to tell ourselves when to do things, and the motion of The Earth, we see our numbers as sacrosanct and think we move the stars with our bits of ink on paper?
If light in the morning is good, lets just begin our occupations later! 8 isn’t even some holy time, lots of occupations begin at different times in different regions and within the same region!
As it is, the numbers are losing their meaning. Today, in the same time zone, sunrise could be at 4, or 5:30. In another time zone, 7:04 & 5:22. Our experiences of time are not the same.