You are assuming that the company cares about training, and not just a source of cheap labour. Apprentices are paid barely above minimum wage in Aus, and there are kickbacks to the companies to encourage employing them.
If it worked as you described (which is how it should work), I would absolutely agree with you, but the system in Aus happily churns out some absolute duds. Just like the uni system.
Also, for what its worth, many uni degrees include a year of paid internship, but there are similar issues that allow duds to sail through there as well.
Actually where I am, it’s a government enforced sponsorship, so both sides need to do things correctly.
A first year apprentice has to be paid 60% of the lowest paid journeyman, and if you don’t go to school every 24 months they kick you out. Last years get 90%.
Company has to hire you back on after completing the school stint, they need to fill out your blue book before firing you, so the next company can continue your training.
We also know loosely about other countries regulations, since we are certified semi internationally with our red seal program.
There’s so many differences between countries on this that I think you both are arguing ineffectively.
In the US, there are union jobs that require apprenticeships and labor hours. There are also plenty of companies that will hire non-union workers with no certs. There’s a lot of variance.
It’s still the same here, but the schooling and the cert make it so it’s not a piece of paper, and that’s universal. Places without schooling (looking at you USA) are the different ones. You can’t get the cert without schooling and passing a relevant shop test, so having a trade ticket holds a hell of a lot weight.
I would take someone with an EU or Aus cert over the USA, just because of how they do apprenticeships there.
Nothing they’ve stated doesn’t also happen here, it’s why I asked where they were. If they were located in the US, they would partly have a point.
But Australias system is pretty good.
You kinda need to know how international certification works when you’re hiring and subcontracting with trades everyday. And they have certs from all over.
You kinda need to know how international certification works when you’re hiring and subcontracting with trades everyday. And they have certs from all over.
I wasn’t arguing with you, I was pointing out there’s different standards. I’m very aware of how certification works in the trades.
You are assuming that the company cares about training, and not just a source of cheap labour. Apprentices are paid barely above minimum wage in Aus, and there are kickbacks to the companies to encourage employing them.
If it worked as you described (which is how it should work), I would absolutely agree with you, but the system in Aus happily churns out some absolute duds. Just like the uni system.
Also, for what its worth, many uni degrees include a year of paid internship, but there are similar issues that allow duds to sail through there as well.
Actually where I am, it’s a government enforced sponsorship, so both sides need to do things correctly.
A first year apprentice has to be paid 60% of the lowest paid journeyman, and if you don’t go to school every 24 months they kick you out. Last years get 90%.
Company has to hire you back on after completing the school stint, they need to fill out your blue book before firing you, so the next company can continue your training.
We also know loosely about other countries regulations, since we are certified semi internationally with our red seal program.
That sounds like a far better system then, so definitely explains the difference in quality.
There’s so many differences between countries on this that I think you both are arguing ineffectively.
In the US, there are union jobs that require apprenticeships and labor hours. There are also plenty of companies that will hire non-union workers with no certs. There’s a lot of variance.
It’s still the same here, but the schooling and the cert make it so it’s not a piece of paper, and that’s universal. Places without schooling (looking at you USA) are the different ones. You can’t get the cert without schooling and passing a relevant shop test, so having a trade ticket holds a hell of a lot weight.
I would take someone with an EU or Aus cert over the USA, just because of how they do apprenticeships there.
I think most would agree it’s better to require a certain amount of schooling for any trade.
The user you’re arguing with is from Australia though.
There’s a large variance in requirements depending on the country you’re working in.
Nothing they’ve stated doesn’t also happen here, it’s why I asked where they were. If they were located in the US, they would partly have a point.
But Australias system is pretty good.
You kinda need to know how international certification works when you’re hiring and subcontracting with trades everyday. And they have certs from all over.
I wasn’t arguing with you, I was pointing out there’s different standards. I’m very aware of how certification works in the trades.