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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish · 7 hours ago

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish · 7 hours ago
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  • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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    China is a socialist country. The commanding heights and backbone of the economy are overwhelmingly publicly owned and planned, within a state controlled and dominated by the proletariat. The existence of private capital is in petty bourgeois sole proprietorships and agricultural cooperatives, as well as in medium and highly competitive industries. The purpose of this decision is the Marxist analysis that marketization accelerates the socialization of production and distribution, thereby preparing the material base for widespread collectivization.

    As for the DPRK, it certainly isn’t a utopia, but it is an existing socialist state. Like China, public ownership is the principal aspect of the economy, and the working classes control the state. It also has free or low-cost housing, free healthcare and education, low working hours, and the economy is doing better than ever before, with even car ownership rising in major cities like Pyongyang despite intense trade embargo.

    • Tyra@lemmy.ml
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      There should be a bot commenting that every time a lib mentions China or the DPRK tbh

      • ZeroHora@lemmy.ml
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        There is, the bot is named Cowbee and they are paid in ruble.

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          *Rubble

          • ZeroHora@lemmy.ml
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            is not ruble?

            • davel@lemmy.ml
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              Any day now… https://www.forbes.com/sites/mayrarodriguezvalladares/2022/03/01/from-ruble-to-rubble/

              • EmmiLime@lemmy.ml
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                That article is 4 years old FYI…

                This means it’s worse than rubble now!

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        Would definitely be useful.

    • BottleBoardBakon@lemmy.ml
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      Cowbee coming in spitting facts let’s go

      • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
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        🫡

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      Ya they have an excellent track record of supporting unionization and labor rights.

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        Definitely, that’s one of the best things about the PRC.

        Workers rights

        • The real wage (IE the wage adjusted for the prices you pay) has gone up 4x in the past 25 years, more than any other country. This is staggering considering it’s the most populous country on the planet. The US real wage by comparison is lower in 2019 than it was in 1973.
        • Workplace democracy in action in the CPC.
        • US Life expectancy peaked in 2015, is on the decline, and is now lower than in China. 2
          • How healthcare works in China (refuting a fearmongering NYT video about health care in China).
          • Uninsured Chinese citizens pay an average of $5-7 to see a specialist (the majority of hospital visits ), and with insurance, its free. 95% of Chinese citizens have insurance
        • Wages themselves are forced to rise in the private sector by the CPC (+16% every years, +400% since 1980) who force the capitalists to accept the presence of CPC chapters who represent the interest of the workers, increasing workers control even in the capitalist parts of the economy.
        • Eliminated Urban Poverty. On track to eliminate all poverty within a decade.
        • CGTN documentary - China’s war on poverty
        • Trade union laws of the PRC.
        • The west views China as one big sweatshop, but the actual working hours aren’t much more than anywhere else. The average for a migrant worker (most vulnerable to exploitation as they are traveling from the countryside) is 8.8 hours, little under an hour more than a typical working day. Labor strikes are rarely suppressed, and usually get the support of the PRC.
        • The workplace safety standards of China are better than in the capitalist countries of the West like in Australia who have an higher rate of work related death despite having a GDP per capita 3-5 times higher.
        • /u/cheezicle - My experience as a factory worker in a Chinese “sweatshop”
        • 70% of Chinese millenials own their own home, and 91% as of 2021 plan to buy their own home within the next 5 years.
        • In a typical example of proletarian police accountability, the CPC sentences a police officer to death for killing a pregnant woman in a restaurant in southern China.
        • The US is losing to China: “Washington is actually far more corrupt than Beijing. If you want to get something done in Washington, you do what you do in Jakarta: just slip some money to the right people.”
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          I was joking lol, sorry.

          A centralized union controlled by the government is not what I think most people would consider a “union”

          They do not have the legal right to strike. http://www.bhrdw.gov.cn/Content-1771.html

          I don’t understand how a union can advocate for its workers without that.

          I have not read through your sources yet but thanks for including them, will go through them. Rising wages is more than I can say for the West, but I’d be careful to equate that with labor rights.

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          Thanks! Bookmarked all of this! 😭❤️

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        Literally yes. Housing is a human right in the DPRK

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        Yep! The ACFTU is the world’s largest federation of trade unions.

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