And nothing of value would be lost… It’s maybe just me, but the last thing take-two (or rockstar) made, which was good, was Vice City.
They’ll be force-feeding streaming soon enough. I’m fully convinced they’re gonna push streaming hard as soon as the AI bubble bursts, just so they can justify building all those data centers.
Microsoft can’t even justify an online subsciption service for $30/month. They already bacled down that price. And I don’t think we need to talk much about Stadia who tried the “pay $60 to stream a game” model.
No way in high hell this takes off. The economics aren’t there and the competition is too strong. Not to mention I don’t think the internet infrastructure is quite ready for that kind of mass streaming anyway.
Can we please stop listening and quoting company CEOs. Haven’t we all learned how clueless they truly all are ?
Yea please. I keep saying it too. Wake up you fucking sheeple. Many folks who become CEOs are some of the worst of the worst cause that is the only way you get there. A CEO only says things that make them money.
I feel like this wouldn’t work out in the competitive game space but I’m not smart enough to explain why.
Heard that before lol
Yeah, but now consoles are gonna cost $1,000 and lower-mid-rang PCs even more.
Streaming games sucks, but it’ll be the only option for people who can spend that kind of cash on the hardware.
we wont but he wishes they want streaming because then they can control access they want to control the hardware and software you will have no option but to keep paying whatever price they ask otherwise you will lose everything
as if lol. even if compute gets cheap (seems like not), installing high speed internet all over the world? that’s a huge project that nobody is working on.
And all for what, too? Just so you don’t have to spend 20 minutes downloading a game one time?
i mean streaming gives big corporations more power, like the power to shut off your game if you don’t pay a subscription fee, the power to track everything you do
From my PC to my steam deck, sure.
Some might. I will be playing an instrument or reading instead. I’m out.
Yeah this is their goal. Subscription everything. Also they don’t want gpus in your hands and we will see them more regulated than assault weapons - or some sort of gentleman’s agreement where they are generally unavailable to the public. Writing is on the wall because if you can run quality ai locally the powers that be suddenly lose a trillion or two overnight.
Dude I can create my own games with pencils and paper, they won’t lock me in to paying a subscription to play games.
For sure. The day I can’t own my video card is the day I’m done gaming. I had a lot of good years and a great run. I’m fully uninterested in supporting any industry that removes your ability to own your own hardware or software and even less interested in supporting one that is doing it to appease the ai overlords.
I think what a lot of people don’t understand is that the dip in revenue is tolerable because they’ve run the numbers on the data they have and found that this move makes them more money in the long run. Unless you are willing to find a new hobby, there will always be a game you will compromise on if you have these sort of values, and millions of people that just don’t care enough.
You also have to remember this is how they define reality as well. Corporations may well be more durable than governments at certain levels of revenue. Try to recall all the things that you took as being eternal eg the Internet if you are gen z. These things were new at the time but you lived your life as though they always existed.
Now look at how the younger generations will grow into this new gaming paradigm with those who remember current times complaining as they ramble about back in their day etc etc. The new generations will roll their eyes as they go to buy the limited edition pre order collectors editions discs because the disc will become a status symbol.
Not to mention if everything goes their way we will be streaming games. Can’t be cannibalising this new revenue stream by selling physical disks that let people play without accessing the network and giving us data. In sure there are more plans but I haven’t gone researching anything.
I don’t have the answers, but we will all have to keep fighting the good fight against corporate rent seeking in all its forms. At least those of us that are aware enough. But we have to accept we won’t be making a difference as to how the world works, just living in accordance with our values.
Unless you are willing to find a new hobby, there will always be a game you will compromise on if you have these sort of values, and millions of people that just don’t care enough.
Sure. A few games here and there built upon decades of investment. Not every single AAA game ever. I don’t think it will be sustainable for any attempts to make new IPs or anything that isn’t already making hundreds of millions per year.
I don’t have the answers
Probably indies for a lot of enthusiasts who aren’t stuck in a specific AAA moat.
ultimately the target audience of the video game industry is children and they’ll keep making obscene hypermonetized games that get fifth graders hooked. Only thing we can do is not buy them ourselves and protect our own loved ones from them. But yeah i mean idk i wish our government would have better policies but there’s a long list of great government evils to cure at the moment before we start worrying about gacha games and whatever newer techniques for ripping off people with videogames.
This unfortunately. But what if there are consequences for streaming games? If games are being streamed then they can’t be owned
This is what we fear: owning nothing and being unhappy and unable to do anything about it
+1
Another thing I’d like to highlight is the data hoarder/old internet style “you can take my local games from my cold, dead hands” talk.
…Well. If 90% of the market ends up game streaming, that’s what the vast majority of game devs will target, even indies. There will be no more local games for you to buy. There will be no desktop gaming GPUs to replace the one that dies. Heck, I bet the internet itself gets locked down in the future.
I see this attitude e on Lemmy and some other corners of the internet, along the lines of “who cares what the masses do? We never needed them.” Like we can go back to the usenet days when the internet was a niche.
That’s a nice thought.
But they’re taking what critical mass holds up for granted.
I don’t have a solution, either.
People, in aggregate, seem to always pick convenience over principle/long term health, when it comes to tech stuff.
Well. If 90% of the market ends up game streaming, that’s what the vast majority of game devs will target, even indies.
That kind of marketshare implies that Steam gives up the idea of local games. And if that happens we’ve already lost the fight. I don’t think it’ll go that far for a very long time.
Besides, developers still need hardware to develop games. So the idea of them ceasing to make consumer GPUs seem far fetched. They are needed for a lot more than just playing the biggest games.
Like we can go back to the usenet days when the internet was a niche.
Well we’re here aren’t we? It’s not the 90’s, but we also came here because we refused to let adslop become our future of forums and disusccion. We don’t need 90% adoption to foster a community. If we could get to .1% we’d already be in a very good place.
There will be no more local games for you to buy.
There will be no desktop gaming GPUs to replace the one that dies.
unless you make them, i guess i would emphasize our personal skill development in tech as a people as the ultimate guarantor of our rights to own things personally. While some government policies are worse than others, no government solution can ever be a guarantee.
…You think a modern GPU can be crowdsourced?
I mean. You could. Hardware hackers have. But it wouldn’t resemble anything remotely like our desktops now.
Yeah, but what if those people started to suffer the consequences of games being streamed and not being able to own the games and buy the games that they play.
More and more people will suffer the consequences of games being streamed, and the consequences of being unable to buy and own their games
Our worst fears: unable to own anything and being unhappy
That’s what I mean!
There’s no hiding from this or just “ignoring stupid people who stream games.” It is going to catch everyone, one way or another.
Yeah, but at least everyone will suffer the consequences and eventually people will get sick of being unable to own their games
One day the tides will again turn, but will eventually turn in our favor
But what if there are consequences for streaming games? If games are being streamed then they can’t be owned
This is what we fear: owning nothing and being unhappy and unable to do anything about it
Does that mean they’re going to break into my house and delete all the local games, compilers and interpreters off my computer? Because unless they’re doing that, this is just factually incorrect.
No, it means that when your old stuff breaks you won’t be able to buy replacements.
Endgame would be a client so thin it has nothing but a screen and ROM to boot the network interface.
We are already seeing that the demand for desktop scale ram and video cards is negligible relative to data centre scale. Why would anyone keep making stuff for your home PC if most people are happy with their subscription only streaming devices?
I don’t have a solution but the tech company roadmap seems pretty clear. You’ll own nothing.
I won’t.
Take-Two CEO says [he hopes that] we’ll all be streaming our games in 3 years
He doesn’t know shit, he can’t do shit
Take two was published by EA. It make sense… they challenge Ubisoft as the most evil gaming company.
