• WolfLink@sh.itjust.works
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      The long lived ones are. Tiny black holes don’t last that long (on a cosmological scale) as shown in the graph.

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      their mass goes off the scale. you can imagine that line continuing not just straight up, but with a curve off to the right too.

    • SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Yeah this graph is weird. The axis is labeled size, but measured in kg which is neither mass nor size.

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      My understanding of it, probably not fully accurate but should explain the basic idea: A black hole is a mass so dense that it’s own gravity will not let anything out, including light. If you make the mass small enough (like kilos or a few tons) you can theoretically achieve this by compressing it into a tiny volume (probably on the order of the size of an atom or something). That’s gonna have that property, but it is also not going to be stable as it’s own gravity can’t actually hold itself so compact and compressed, hence the short life span (basically it explodes). Obviously the more mass, the longer it’ll hold together, until it’s enough mass for it to be stable, at which point it becomes unlimited in life time.

      When you see articles that describe how they made a small black hole in a lab, that’s what they mean: they compressed matter to an absurd degree, but probably only for nano seconds (if that).

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        Gravity must be able to hold it together for it to be a black hole. The limiting factor is Hawking radiation, which also applies to larger black holes, but the smaller they are, the faster they evaporate from that. To the point where it does explode if it’s too small.

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        Black holes don’t need to be dense. A black hole the size of the orbit of Jupiter would be less dense than water.

        Black holes radiate energy like a black body with a temperature that increases fast the smaller they are. Small black holes radiate all their energy really quickly.

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          That’s not what I was saying. What I was saying is that if they are light in mass (kilos, tons) they need to be dense. Didn’t wanna write a book just for that one point, and it already got long-ish anyway.

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          Don’t you mean the event horizon of the black hole? The actual matter of a black hole is in an infinitely small point, right?

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            The horizon is what defines the black hole. From the outside the mass distribution is not defined, as there isn’t any experiment you can do that tells you about the internal structure. If you let a mass fall into a black hole you won’t see it cross the horizon, just get asymptotically closer to it.

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            Very very small but not infinitely so. That would violate the Heisenberg uncertainty principle of quantum mechanics.