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    If “succeed in life” means significant intergenerational wealth to achieve a strong head start, great genetics for height and facial symmetry, and strong black triad traits, then sure. Let’s convert the word “luck” to “intelligence”, regardless of how bad that fit may be.

    I mean, there are exceptions among women. But the correct term is called “outliers” for a damn good reason.

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      Sounds like you might be buying into the black pill Incel propaganda they were talking about. Pretty much all my smart friends who ended up being fairly successful (at least middle class) ended up being snatched out of the dating pool fairly quickly, before they ended up making anything of themselves.

      I think ambitious and emotionally intelligent people often end up pairing in long term relationships and removing themselves from the dating scene fairly early in life. So people who are less emotionally developed/available are left thinking the other sex is to blame.

      Plus, I think if we are going to be judging the sexes for being shallow, I would say a lot more women are okay with being with men less attractive to themselves than vice versa.

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    Kinda bordering a strawman here, but if I said

    why are men attracted into the airhead type?

    there would be bunch of dudes saying they are into intelligent women, and that it’s just hollywood.

    Dylan says "Why don't girls like me," sulking. "Hey," "Dylan" says the offscreen voice.
Dylan looks over to see a giant amalgamation of women, some of them are falling as it moves. The amalgamation speaks to him. "It's me, all girls. Only you understand that all women share a consciousness, Dylan. Be one with me . Link yourself to the hivemind." Dylan has stopped sulking, as he now only cowers in fear.

    (Sidenote props to the artist for drawing all those people one by one)

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      Men are attracted to the “airhead type” because those women are good at making men feel good about themselves and keeping up lively conversation; and though people usually prioritise companions who have the same interests as them, they enjoy talking also to a lively conversation partner, perhaps someone as-different-from-themselves as possible: someone who surprises them.

      Many men feel that all women have the “airhead” quality - no, not as in they’re all stupid, but as in they’re lively and conversational in that stereotypical way that disrupts the man-to-man conversation; and though they do not speak to men as equals (preferring to talk over them or jerk the conversation off on some other tangent, perhaps, or dwell on uniquely feminine topics which baffle/disinterest the male listener), this is seen as no big loss, really. For women are different to men, and their presence in our lives is welcome precisely because of that rather than in spite of it.

      The important thing to remember is that people change overtime and every person is more multifaceted than massive media would have us believe - so yes, that is “just Hollywood.” Who’s to say why a man likes an “airhead,” she probably has more depth to her than you know about.

      Edited to change one comma into a colon, and formalise grammar in final sentence

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    Also, this is just plain wrong.

    Some women are attracted to intellectual minds.

    Some women are attracted to physical strength, some women are attracted to maternal instincts, so on and so forth.

    The problem is this question is usually being asked by someone who thinks that responding to every factual statement with an inflammatory counterpoint qualifies as intelligence.

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    I mean, that’s a fun take but realistically there are plenty of women who put a lot more stock in looks (just as men do) an immediate financial ability.

    That jock who got a job that’s physically demanding might be making more out of high school, but the IT nerd who went for they education and got a good tech job was likely on a slower burn path to self-improvement with better pay, possibly improving looks over time (or at least less of a beer belly). At least before AI started killing the tech sector again, so maybe the jocks will be coming out ahead for awhile.

    Also, there’s also nothing wrong with being a good dude with average intelligence who works hard. Just don’t pick an red-hatred idiot. And intelligent nerds who don’t learn social skills can absolutely still become nasty incels.

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      I wouldn’t put too much stock into the jock versus nerd stereotypes.

      Life isn’t an RPG with stats that come at the cost of other stats. Being bad at sports doesn’t make someone more likely to be good at school (if anything, the correlation might run the other way). And charisma, ambition, intelligence, physical appearance, athleticism, work ethic, are all distinct factors that sometimes feedback on each other, and feed into things like wealth, happiness, attractiveness, etc.

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      Impossible. If women had choices, then they’d have a diversity of off-spring with a wide spectrum of forms, traits, and behaviors.

      We know that can’t be the case, because all men are identical and perfectly interchangeable, except for a tiny variance in peak performance which they use to sort themselves from Sigma to Omega for the purpose of obtaining Da Big Sequesy to produce more Sigma clones.

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    What about the women that is into pepe lore or WW2 theory?

    I cant decide if there’s more or less of them than the ones that’s into 4chan incels?

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      They don’t exist. If women get into pepe lore or WW2 they grow male genitalia. It’s not well documented but it happens quite a lot. The body starts producing massive amounts of testosterone and the stress ages and disfigures the women and also effects their memory. Most of the male incels on 4chan are former super models who got exposed to pepe lore or WW2.

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    So success in life means actual intelligence? I disagree with that.

    Success ≠ actual intelligence.

    Plenty of very successful people who are complete morons.

    Women are attracted to success, regardless of actual intelligence.

    And of course this is a generalization. Women are not a monolith.

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      It’s more that intelligence implies success rather than success implies intelligence.

      Actual intelligence boosts chances for success, but it is not required for success.

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        The way the world is going, intelligence is playing less and less of a factor. You’re either born into it, or you’re a wage slave struggling for life.

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          Guess that depends on where you are. Many places in the world have very high social mobility along with solid welfare and pension systems.

          Maybe somewhat less that 40 years ago, but certainly much better than the last thousand years overall.

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          Intelligence is working out that you don’t have to struggle. UK example, don’t move to London “for the jobs” if you are only finding minimum wage work.

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          Success looks different for different groups of people, unfortunately. A slave could be considered more successful than another, while remaining a slave.

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        Intelligence is actually slightly negatively correlated with success by a lot of metrics (earnings, years of life, health) and the best predictors are general big 5 attributes like openness to experience, low neuroticism, high conscientiousness (hard working), and extraversion. Those characteristics are way better predictors of life success.

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          Do you have any references for this? As far as I know the literature, the debate about “what matters more” is still ongoing with some research arguing in favor of personality and other research in favor of cognitive ability. Regardless of this, the relationship between cognitive ability and various life outcomes seems to be consistently positive, and I am not aware of any convincing evidence to the contrary.

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            I guess I was referencing the original 2016 study by Borghans, Golsteyn, Heckman & Humphries that’s since been replicated and refuted. You’re right that it’s not settled academically right now so we don’t know for sure.

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          “…conscientiousness (hard working)…” Yeah, surely, if you define working hard as just receiving your father’s or grandfather’s wealth (or at least, part of it) as your inheritance.

          When you actually look down at this rabbit hole, you find that the entire premise where these supposedly “predictors” rely, the meritocracy, is actually just a scam, maybe the biggest one. Because social movility is totally broken because prices, rents and taxes are going crazily up while salaries are dropping dramatically, and meanwhile some fucking bank takes your money as a monetary rescue for a fucking son of a bitch billionaire which movement caused an economic catastrophe.

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        Yeah, I took it more as analysing and adjusting to one’s current situation, as opposed to going conspiracy nut.

        Neither magic crystals nor PUA courses are what someone struggling to budget 2000$ for candles needs

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      What is success? Being surrounded by people you love and trust? Living life without regret? Sitting on hoards and hoards of money? Planting an endangered tree?

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      It’s just correct enough for the tiny quipy descriptor to get to the real takedown after.

      Also this is 4chan, grade on a curve.

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      Yeah, I’d say humor is the better indicator. It boils down to the ability to connect ideas in creative ways, as well as keeping a longer context window in conversations

      It’s not a direct 1:1, but what is intelligence really? There’s many types, and they’re all a combination of domains

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        I’m sure I agree but your comment suggests you could summarise what else you think should be factored into the measure of success, and now I’m curious to hear it

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        It’s not, but anyone that tells you wealth doesn’t matter, is either lying or trying to sell you something also.

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      You have already failed. Success is not measured in wealth.

      If you are having a good time with friends/family around a fire pit with a total cost of £0. You are succeeding more than the richest man on earth who can’t get anyone to genuinely like him.

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        For those three hours, then they have to pay rent, buy food, pay bills. And try to survive, which wealth makes immensely easier.

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          Sure I guess, but its not like it has to be difficult to pay for all that stuff.

          Living I’m south east UK and even at minimum wage its pretty easy to cover essentials. If you think spending more on things you don’t need will make you happier, that might be where you are going wrong.

          The first time I felt like life was alright was after leaving school and moving out. Despite on paper being vastly below the poverty line. It didn’t feel like it, I could afford rent and food, didn’t really know what else to spend my money on. GTX1060 isn’t something you need to buy many of.

          Main thing to reduce living costs is just share a house with other people. Our rooms still had their own locks so its not like anyone could go through my stuff.

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        Wealth for wealth’s sake, possibly, but i’m not gonna start throwing shade at someone else’s life goals.

        Wealth is , however, a good baseline to build upon to achieve other metrics, up to a point at least.

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    It’s usually “how to succeed in life” intelligence, not “realization of abstract k-skeletons as k-skeletons of intersections of convex polyhedra in R^2k−1 in life” intelligence if that doesn’t make you money.